[News] With the 26th OA pick, the Flames select LW Jakob Pelletier

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Pelletier is only going to see NHL action this season if there's a rash of injuries/Covid.

A full season in Stockton, then maybe the occasional call-up in year two.

I think that depends on the trade deadline. Right now, the Flames are completely reliant on 4 players for scoring. That makes for tough sledding in the playoffs if you only have one line (and other guy) that can put up any offense.

[TheIronMaiden]

I still think that Pelletier needs a year of physical development before being ready for the NHL all the tools are there he just needs to body to execute.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I think that depends on the trade deadline. Right now, the Flames are completely reliant on 4 players for scoring. That makes for tough sledding in the playoffs if you only have one line (and other guy) that can put up any offense.

Backlund, Coleman, and Monahan really need to start pulling their weight offensively and Dube can breakout of his slump anytime as well.

I agree with what you are saying and if those veterans can’t figure it out then it should be Pelletier time

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I think that depends on the trade deadline. Right now, the Flames are completely reliant on 4 players for scoring. That makes for tough sledding in the playoffs if you only have one line (and other guy) that can put up any offense.

If that's the case, the Flames would want proven NHL scoring at trade deadline and would be more likely to move Pelletier in order to acquire it.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Backlund, Coleman, and Monahan really need to start pulling their weight offensively and Dube can breakout of his slump anytime as well.

I agree with what you are saying and if those veterans can’t figure it out then it should be Pelletier time

If Monahan would just go snap out of whatever the hell is wrong with him it would help so much.

Mangi, Monahan, Coleman should be a good 2nd line. Backlund isn't consistent enough offensively to be a 2C

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by DJones

If Monahan would just go snap out of whatever the hell is wrong with him it would help so much.

Mangi, Monahan, Coleman should be a good 2nd line. Backlund isn't consistent enough offensively to be a 2C

BAcklund has not been very good this season, but this is an outlier for a player who has consistently—for four straight years now—produced at an above-average, second line rate, while also playing some of the toughest minutes on the team.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by DJones

If Monahan would just go snap out of whatever the hell is wrong with him it would help so much.

Mangi, Monahan, Coleman should be a good 2nd line. Backlund isn't consistent enough offensively to be a 2C

Monahan just needs to play with wingers that aren't Lewis and Richardson and I think we see some improvement.

I think the problem is we really have 6 forwards in the bottom 9 that we can work as "pairs" but need to find the 3rd forwards to complete a line.

Mangiapane - Monahan: 59.8% xGF in 66 minutes together. These two have worked together in limited time and I think we should see more of them together.

Lucic - Dube: 62.6 xGF in 38 minutes together but without Mangiapane. These two have always had chemistry together for whatever reason.

Coleman - Backlund: 55.2% xGF in 253 minutes together. These two have been fine together, but have been unlucky with a 3.62% on ice shooting percentage. Just need some finish.

Personally I think I'd call up Pelletier and go:

Pelletier - Monahan - Mangiapane: Put two speed tenacious wingers on Monahan's wing, both are good defensively as well and I think this could become a strong 2nd line.

Coleman - Backlund - Pitlick: Pitlick has been bad but due to injuries and covid he hasn't been able to really find a rhythm. The intention was to re-create Coleman-Gourde-Goodrow and I think they should try that a little longer.

Lucic - Dube - Lewis: Ideally you'd have a different winger than Lewis here, but he's not coming out of the lineup. Strangely I think these three can work together.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DJones

If Monahan would just go snap out of whatever the hell is wrong with him it would help so much.

Mangi, Monahan, Coleman should be a good 2nd line. Backlund isn't consistent enough offensively to be a 2C

Thing is - how do you know he's snapped out of it. He certainly won't be scoring on his current line.

Eye test - he looks to be skating better, is more aggressive on the boards, and his passing is good. His shot doesn't seem to have improved much from last year TBH.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Thing is - how do you know he's snapped out of it. He certainly won't be scoring on his current line.

Eye test - he looks to be skating better, is more aggressive on the boards, and his passing is good. His shot doesn't seem to have improved much from last year TBH.

Monahan has definitely been getting better. But he’s always stuck with scrubs now

[Enoch Root]

This thread is about Pelletier. Take the Monahan talk to the Bennett thread.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Monahan has definitely been getting better. But he’s always stuck with scrubs now

So what does this say about the $6.5M dollar player who's still getting prime PP time with excellent players? He's now an underwhelming 50 point guy with the right line mates, and a 35 point guy with grinders?

Either way put him on the scrap heap and call it a day.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I still think that Pelletier needs a year of physical development before being ready for the NHL all the tools are there he just needs to body to execute.

Why exactly? If Pelletier continues to play a key role for 40-50 AHL games this year and produces as he has been, there's little reason to think he wouldn't help this team in the middle 6 at some point.

Everything about his compete, 200 foot game and skill set oozes Sutter hockey. You don't need to hold him back just to conform to some extended seasoning rhetoric that may or may not be beneficial in the long run.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

So what does this say about the $6.5M dollar player who's still getting prime PP time with excellent players? He's now an underwhelming 50 point guy with the right line mates, and a 35 point guy with grinders?

Either way put him on the scrap heap and call it a day.

Well said PP is ranked 3rd overall so he's clearly not hurting it.

What is the NHL scrap heap and how does it work?

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Well said PP is ranked 3rd overall so he's clearly not hurting it.

What is the NHL scrap heap and how does it work?

Flames are 10th in PP%

[Mindtravellee]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Monahan just needs to play with wingers that aren't Lewis and Richardson and I think we see some improvement.

I think the problem is we really have 6 forwards in the bottom 9 that we can work as "pairs" but need to find the 3rd forwards to complete a line.

Mangiapane - Monahan: 59.8% xGF in 66 minutes together. These two have worked together in limited time and I think we should see more of them together.

Lucic - Dube: 62.6 xGF in 38 minutes together but without Mangiapane. These two have always had chemistry together for whatever reason.

Coleman - Backlund: 55.2% xGF in 253 minutes together. These two have been fine together, but have been unlucky with a 3.62% on ice shooting percentage. Just need some finish.

Personally I think I'd call up Pelletier and go:

Pelletier - Monahan - Mangiapane: Put two speed tenacious wingers on Monahan's wing, both are good defensively as well and I think this could become a strong 2nd line.

Coleman - Backlund - Pitlick: Pitlick has been bad but due to injuries and covid he hasn't been able to really find a rhythm. The intention was to re-create Coleman-Gourde-Goodrow and I think they should try that a little longer.

Lucic - Dube - Lewis: Ideally you'd have a different winger than Lewis here, but he's not coming out of the lineup. Strangely I think these three can work together.

I know isn't bashing down the door for promotion and we're too small already, but wonder if Phillips would work well with Monahan.

Could Popsil get a call up and fit on the wing somewhere?

[genetic_phreek]

I wouldn't mind a call up to play a top 6 role. Pelletier has hockey IQ and is a puck hound. Put him with Mangiapane and Monahan. This might also prop up Monahan. I also saw Sutter replace Dube with Monahan to play with Looch and Mangiapane in the last portion of the Panthers game.

Here are some combos I think could work:

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Pelletier/Lucic - Monahan - Mangiapane
Lucic/Pelletier - Backlund - Coleman
Lewis - Dube - Ritchie

[TheScorpion]

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Pelletier - Backlund - Mangiapane
Dube - Monahan - Coleman
Lucic - Ruzicka - Phillips

PK: Lindholm/Mangiapane, Backlund/Coleman

[bax]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Pelletier - Backlund - Mangiapane
Dube - Monahan - Coleman
Lucic - Ruzicka - Phillips

PK: Lindholm/Mangiapane, Backlund/Coleman

Lucic and Dube for whatever reason just seem to work. I would prefer to keep Dube at center.

I would love to see Pelletier get a chance too, but I don’t think that happens unless we run into injuries.

It’s probably more likely that the Flames trade for Hertl or something than it is that Sutter replaces his two veteran grinders from LA with a couple of rookies. Especially with one of them being 140 pounds with only 1 NHL game to his name.

[TheScorpion]

Phillips is 155 now, just for the record

[Heavy Jack]

I thought he had gotten up to 165? Wiki lists him at that weight and this article did as well which is where I think I remember reading that he had hit 165.

https://thehockeywriters.com/flames-...-wing-2021-22/

I really wish we would give Phillips a look of around 5 to 10 games to see what we have in him at the NHL level.

Coleman - Backlund - Phillips