[Trade] Elias Lindholm + Noah Hanifin to Flames for D. Hamilton, Micheal Ferland, & Adam Fox

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Hamilton is a franchise defenseman

Hanifin might be, and had better be if the Flames want to have any chance of competing in the future.

I feel so bad for Gaudreau and Monahan who have to waste away their careers until UFA

Franchise defenceman? Is he though . I have never been a fan, and see a guy who can’t play D, and looks terrible away from Gio.

He’s Phaneuf 2.0 to me , but this time we got value

Time will tell though

[ricosuave]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Any way you could quote what was said?

the tweet from Ryan Pike (above) that stated the Flames have been exploring Hamilton trade options for almost 2 years

[the-rasta-masta]

My guess is that this will be a move that we’ll all be looking at positively once we see the acquisitions in action. Hanafin is already a stud and plays meaner, and will equal Dougie in points within the next year or two. I’m glad we sold high on Ferland, he had a hot streak at the start of the season and then faded hard. Lindholm is a clear upgrade immediately with a high ceiling, and will look good at Center or wing.

[GirlySports]

Brodano! Just for that the trade is won.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

One saving feature is also that Peters surely played a part in guiding this move. Having thorough inside knowledge of all players involved at least makes me comfortable that due diligence was done, and then some.

Let's wait until Peters proves anything at the NHL-level before we give his opinion any weight.

[CliffFletcher]

Love it. Flames essentially added two young core pieces for one core piece, a depth winger, and a prospect.

Hanafin was the top-rated defenceman in his draft year and hasn't done anything to disappoint. If you redraft you probably take Werenski, but Hanafin is still looking like a top young d-man.

Lindholm will be a tremendous asset up front, a young RW who can play in the top six, is good on the powerplay, and has an engine that doesn't quit. And he's still improving. Safe to assume he was a Peters favourite, and I'm betting he'll become a fan favourite too. I wanted him when the Flames drafted 5th so it's like to Christmas to end up with both him and Monahan.

Ferland is a decent player but he can't seem to produce unless he's on the top line.

With Fox, it seems the Flames brass weren't confident they'd be able to sign him. I'm assuming he does his fourth year at Harvard.

As for Hamilton, my feeling aren't exactly a secret. A very good offensive defenceman with a great shot. But one-dimensional, undisciplined, and a flake.

[savardandjokinen]

Value wise, the flames get smoked. However, Fox wasn’t going to sign here, and Dougie and Ferland had better season due to playing with better line mates. Hanifin and Lindholm haven’t had that, so the jury is still out.

I think we lost this trade as of now, however my mind could easily change. I see the positives and negatives. Especially if they use this cap space well

[DomeFoam]

Originally Posted by dammage79

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Adam Fox is on track to be a great NHL player. Flames have done a lot of work in trying to gauge his desire to be a Flame down the road. Clearly they got the indication Fox wasn't crazy about coming to Calgary.

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Adam Fox will go back to Harvard this season for his junior year but this trade from CGY to CAR enhances the likelihood of him turning pro after this coming season.

Originally Posted by dammage79

No assumptions. All the way up to Bob McKenzie saying he wwasn't going to sign.

Sorry, but this isn't confirmation from McKenzie that Fox doesn't sign. Pure speculation. Doesn't mean their isn't any smoke there but Flames have a whole year to turn Fox into a better asset than being just a throw in.

[RT14]

I like the trade. Sold high on Hamilton who I think will reveal a lot of holes in his game without Giordano. 2 or 3 years from now, it’s entirely possible we have the 2 best players out of this deal. Gotta love Tre for being able to consistently put together big big moves that, at worst may end up with a slightly shorter stick but are exciting as heck and, at best could pay off huge down the road.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I don’t buy the loner thing, he seemed engaged with teammates in public at least, charity events, photobombing everything, being one of the handful of guys that show up in the ugly sweater kind of things

But other than the awesome photobombs those are essentially work commitments that every player is required to fulfill. We still don’t know what goes on away from the rink, at team dinners in the road, or in off-days.

[GirlySports]

It's a trade for pedigree. Well see in a year or two.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I maintain that Brodie was the dman to trade and not Hamilton, unless this was a two for one package but the Flames added a lot.

Brodie doesn't have that much trade value, he has been that bad the last 2 years.

[JurassicTunga12]

It's funny watching the 2013 draft now. We were split on Lindholm and Monahan. Now we have both.
Not to mention the 50 other 1st round players we got from that draft.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Yeah I think that's the plan. But short term this is a downgrade.



Hanifin had 4th most ice time in total but that's because he played PP. His 5v5 icetime was around 17min/game.

That's not a lot less than Hamilton. At a much younger age.

In total, about 10 points less offence, a lot less penalties, about the same size, a bit more physical, great skater, less chancy defender.

I suspect he will play with Hamonic.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Love it.

Hanafin was the top-rated defenceman in his draft year and hasn't done anything to disappoint. If you redraft you probably take Werenski, but Hanafin is still looking like a to young d-man.

Lindholm will be a tremendous asset up front, a young RW who can play in the top six is good on the powerplay, and has an engine that doesn't quit. And he's still improving. Safe to assume he was a Peters favourite.

Ferland is a decent player but he can't seem to produce unless he's on the top line.

With Fox, it seems the Flames brass weren't confident they'd be able to sign him. I'm assuming he does his fourth year at Harvard.

As for Hamilton, my feeling aren't exactly a secret. A very good offensive defenceman with a great shot. But one-dimensional, undisciplined, and a flake.

Provorov and Werenski both >> Hanifin in the NHL so far

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

Sorry, but one of these is not like the other. Pure speculation. Doesn't mean their isn't any smoke there but Flames have a whole year to turn Fox into a better asset than being just a throw in.

You dont have to believe it if you dont want to. But I think it's not as speculative as you want it to be. Othwerwise the Flames would have held on to his rights.

[bigrangy]

Slavin-Hamilton is going to tear the East a new #######

[Matty81]

Yikes on face value this seems like another loss for Treliving. You trade the nhl's top scoring defenceman who is young and on a good contract for two potentials AND throw in a top prospect and good winger?

Not great optics here

[Enoch Root]

I am shocked that Carolina would give up on both of these young players so quickly. Two #5 overalls, and only 21 and 23 years of age.

I think people are under-rating Hanafin here, in relation to Hamilton. He is a better skater, and probably has more upside.

Also, I am one of Ferland's biggest fans on these boards, but you would be hard pressed to find anyone outside of Flames fans don't think there is a pretty large gap between Lindholm and Ferland.

It's a risky trade, but we got TWO potential core pieces.

(and I was in the Fox isn't signing camp, the moment he said he was going back for year 3)

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Hamilton is a franchise defenseman

Hanifin might be, and had better be if the Flames want to have any chance of competing in the future.

I feel so bad for Gaudreau and Monahan who have to waste away their careers until UFA

The biggest bummer for me is giving up a player like Hamilton, but I think he's a few steps away from being of "franchise" quality. I think he has the established skills to be a long-term #2 on any team.

I think Hanifin has that potential (not franchise, but perennial #1-2), and is already on a development path very close to Hamilton's.

If this means the Flames get that coveted top 6 right-handed player, it works out pretty evenly.