[GT] 2018 IIHF World Championships (May 4 - 20)

[Ashasx]

HF seems to think coaching was the biggest issue for Canada

[Zoller]

Connor McWhatever

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

HF seems to think coaching was the biggest issue for Canada

Really? I didnt see any glaring coaching errors.

But there is some truth to that, they really didnt seem to have a 'Plan B' if their initial strategy wasnt working.

And the Powerplay was pretty average.

Theres a lot of blame to go around, but again, at the end of the day, this isnt Canada's 'A-Team' its just whoever was available and willing and a bunch of Oilers tossed together into a short tournament, its difficult to draw any meaningful conclusions from that.

Other than that Edmonton is No Good.

[AC]

There's lots of Peters blaming on Reddit too, including a "Bill Peters was an awful coach in the IIHF Tournament" thread.

I've seen him blamed for the PP, but that was Mike Yeo's responsibility:
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hocke...01de3fa73.html

“Two years ago I was there and I ran the power play and ran the defense,” Yeo said. “This time, I’ll be running the power play but working with the forwards.”

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

HF seems to think coaching was the biggest issue for Canada

Oiler fans blaming the Flames new coach, I'm shocked.

[DeluxeMoustache]

So coach of Corsi rich and results lousy Carolina team, and captain from the Oilers prove two wrongs don’t make a right.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by AC

There's lots of Peters blaming on Reddit too, including a "Bill Peters was an awful coach in the IIHF Tournament" thread.

I've seen him blamed for the PP, but that was Mike Yeo's responsibility:
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hocke...01de3fa73.html

“Two years ago I was there and I ran the power play and ran the defense,” Yeo said. “This time, I’ll be running the power play but working with the forwards.”

Again, its a rag-tag group thrown together into a short tournament.

Tough to draw meaningful conclusions from that. There is no Dive Deep enough.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Locke

Again, its a rag-tag group thrown together into a short tournament.

Tough to draw meaningful conclusions from that. There is no Dive Deep enough.

That is true, but generally you figure the rag tag group with the better roster has a better chance than the rag tag group with a much less accomplished roster.

Can we give the Swiss coach credit? Lots of shots against and a few lights out saves but proportional to shots, relatively few high quality chances

Some of Sweden’s goals were pretty nice in terms of puck movement

[Locke]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

That is true, but generally you figure the rag tag group with the better roster has a better chance than the rag tag group with a much less accomplished roster.

Can we give the Swiss coach credit? Lots of shots against and a few lights out saves but proportional to shots, relatively few high quality chances

Some of Sweden’s goals were pretty nice in terms of puck movement

You know, this is the trouble with tournaments like this, a hot goalie over a short period can paper-over a lot of cracks.

Can we give the Swiss coach credit? Absolutely! He drew up a game plan and his players executed it to perfection.

"Keep Canada to the outside, block shots, stay disciplined and capitalize on Special Teams."

That game was effectively exactly how their coach drew it up on the white-board.

If anything we have to condemn Canada for two major things:

1. Not seeing this coming from Miles away.
2. Not taking the initiative.

Scoring first throws their game plan into the trash and then they've got to come out of their shell and compete at which point Canada tears them apart.

Didnt happen.

Whatever else, give the Swiss their credit, they werent going to win a run-and-gun game against Canada so they forced Canada to play their game, a game to which we are apparently ill-suited and they got their desired result.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by AC

There's lots of Peters blaming on Reddit too, including a "Bill Peters was an awful coach in the IIHF Tournament" thread.

I've seen him blamed for the PP, but that was Mike Yeo's responsibility:
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hocke...01de3fa73.html

“Two years ago I was there and I ran the power play and ran the defense,” Yeo said. “This time, I’ll be running the power play but working with the forwards.”

That reddit thread is really weird. Full of people saying "we warned you Flamers he was a bad coach" but r/hockey was overwhelmingly positive regarding the Peters hire a few weeks ago, Canes fans particularly.

[Beninho]

lol people blaming Peters and not the Oiler garb on the ice along with the many career losers on team Canada. The result is not shocking at all, McDavid does absolutely nothing in his own zone.

[direwolf]

Tough to pin this on coaching when their goaltending was sub-par at best and Captain McGenerational didn't bother to show up until the last 5 minutes. Not to mention the Swiss goaltender was outstanding. Canada really poured it on in the 3rd, but just couldn't get one past him.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

HF seems to think coaching was the biggest issue for Canada

Other things HF thinks.

Both Marner and Nylander are better than Gaudreau as of last season.
Dougie Hamilton would not fetch a late 1st.
All soft skill wingers are better than Matty Tkachuk
Chris Tanev is worth as much as Hamonic in a trade.
Adam Larsson is better than any Flames D man, so is Kris Russell.
RNH could fetch Hanifin...but the Canes would have to seriously add
Sean Monahan is a 2nd line C at best.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Locke

Really? I didnt see any glaring coaching errors.

But there is some truth to that, they really didnt seem to have a 'Plan B' if their initial strategy wasnt working...

I disagree. Peters did a tonne of line-juggling throughout the tournament and in this game to find working combinations.

And the Powerplay was pretty average.

Again, the coaches did make some adjustments that paid dividends when it mattered in the game against Russia, and the powerplay scored another goal today.

I suspect the complaints on HF and reddit are mostly stemming from myopic, Oilers homers, or fans who are otherwise blinded by McDoesn'tmatter's crossovers. It is difficult to get a good read in a short tournament, but it didn't seem to me like coaching was an issue.

[CaptainCrunch]

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Locke

You can actually get a glass of wine at a hockey game?



Damn you Europe! Damn your gloriousness!

You can get wine at Flames games.

[CaptainCrunch]

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I disagree. Peters did a tonne of line-juggling throughout the tournament and in this game to find working combinations.


Again, the coaches did make some adjustments that paid dividends when it mattered in the game against Russia, and the powerplay scored another goal today.

I suspect the complaints on HF and reddit are mostly stemming from myopic, Oilers homers, or fans who are otherwise blinded by McDoesn'tmatter's crossovers. It is difficult to get a good read in a short tournament, but it didn't seem to me like coaching was an issue.

We all agree though that there is more to coaching than blending lines.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Oiler fans blaming the Flames new coach, I'm shocked.

And us Flames fan blaming the Oilers stench lol. Not surprised in either case.

[btimbit]

The expected result whenever you make McDavid captain