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Old 04-15-2018, 04:02 PM   #481
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But there were options. I know you can figure them out, so I don’t need to spell the specifics out.

I am fundamentally a pragmatist, so I get what you are saying. However it is also possible to justify almost any decision with mitigating circumstances. That was the case here.
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Old 04-15-2018, 04:04 PM   #482
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No. It really does not.
I believe it does. You’re entitled to your opinion.

I also believe this team doesn’t make the playoffs next year with Gulutzan as coach. If the GM thinks this coach is acceptable to lead the team next season he isn’t suitable to be making such decisions. Hopefully Gulutzan is gone sooner rather than later.
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I believe it does. You’re entitled to your opinion.

I also believe this team doesn’t make the playoffs next year with Gulutzan as coach. If the GM thinks this coach is acceptable to lead the team next season he isn’t suitable to be making such decisions. Hopefully Gulutzan is gone sooner rather than later.
You are assuming that he has already made this decision, or rather that this is the decision upon which he will ultimately settle. Without knowing a thing about what is presently going on behind closed doors, no, we really have no additional insight about the GM's ability to do his job and to make the right decisions.

I also think Gulutzan should and probably will be fired, but I also believe that the decision is not nearly as simple and obvious as many have convinced themselves it is.
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Old 04-15-2018, 04:12 PM   #484
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Talk about missing the point.

The team made a bad trade that contributed to keeping the team's top prospect from starting the season on the main roster because they had the roster filled with flotsam.

It's not missing the point at all, and you're speaking in absolutes based on your inherently negative view-point.

I don't accept that the Lazar trade was a bad one at this point as I thought he looked a lot better to close the season and is still young.

Regardless of that, you quoted me responding to a specific question out of context and used it as a springboard to go on another rant slamming the organization in the big picture.

At the end of the day I think the faux outrage by a couple people here over Jankowski missing the first couple game of the season wasn't a prelude to a more constructive critique, it was misplaced frustration trying to over-dramatize something that was immaterial. And a poor job of it at that.
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Old 04-15-2018, 04:19 PM   #485
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You are assuming that he has already made this decision, or rather that this is the decision upon which he will ultimately settle. Without knowing a thing about what is presently going on behind closed doors, no, we really have no additional insight about the GM's ability to do his job and to make the right decisions.

I also think Gulutzan should and probably will be fired, but I also believe that the decision is not nearly as simple and obvious as many have convinced themselves it is.
I am not under the assumption that the decision has already been made either way. If you read my previous post and the word “if” you might be able to ascertain this.
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I am not under the assumption that the decision has already been made either way. If you read my previous post and the word “if” you might be able to ascertain this.
So, if we don't know what is happening, then what on earth does the timeline reveal about Brad Treliving's "acumen"?
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So, if we don't know what is happening, then what on earth does the timeline reveal about Brad Treliving's "acumen"?
I indicated earlier that it sheds some light on his ability. I still believe that is correct. I see no reason for Gulutzan to be employed at this point. If he is being prevented to remove Gulutzan by other forces (Burke, Owners, Etc) then there are far bigger issues with the organization.

One good indicator of his ability, outside of the coaching decision, is that it is nearly his 4th full year as GM and the franchise is irrelevant in terms of cup contention.
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Glen Gulutzan is still employed by the Calgary Flames on April 15th.

Regardless of what he has done in the past (call ups, terrible asset management, etc) it sheds some light on Trelivings acumen in the GM spot.
So tell us what it sheds light on.
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So tell us what it sheds light on.
I’ll let you read my previous posts a couple of times, I’m sure you’ll figure it out eventually.
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^ "sheds some light on his ability" is extremely vague. You could not be more vague if you tried.

So yeah, sheds light on... things. Stuff.

Okay. Did I figure it out?
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^ "sheds some light on his ability" is extremely vague. You could not be more vague if you tried.

So yeah, sheds light on... things. Stuff.

Okay. Did I figure it out?
I used the word “Acumen”. It is defined as “the ability to make good judgements and take quick decisions.” I personally don’t believe Treliving is the right GM for the team. If he is being prevented to remove the coach for other reasons then the organization has larger flaws than we know.

I don’t fault you for not being able to figure it out. No worries!
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^ Well, to be honest the "look through my posts" card is a poor play.

But this is regarding you being upset that GG hasn't been fired yet, and it's simply your own opinion that this somehow needed to be done already in order to show that Treliving has "acumen".

You seem incapable of acknowledging that maybe an approach that takes a more careful analysis of the team might also work.
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^ Well, to be honest the "look through my posts" card is a poor play.

But this is regarding you being upset that GG hasn't been fired yet, and it's simply your own opinion that this somehow needed to be done already in order to show that Treliving has "acumen".

You seem incapable of acknowledging that maybe an approach that takes a more careful analysis of the team might also work.
It’s no play at all actually just my opinion on how things are going with the franchise. I’m not upset in the least Gulutzan is coach, it’s just unfortunate to see a quicker decision hasn’t been made which seems from the outside to be obvious.

Keeping a coach like Gulutzan around doesn’t seem like a recipe for success. Hopefully Treliving will make the right call and Gulutzan will be gone sooner rather than later. The coaching decision is just one of the many poor decisions I have noticed in Trelivings reign. The true measure of Trelivings ability is the irrelevancy of the franchise after 4 full years under his leadership.
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^ I agree that GG should go.

I think there's value in a proper review with him, though, as the problems can't all be blamed on him. So getting his assessment of the team can be helpful.

Treliving strikes me as the type who would like options available when the firing does happen. In this case AV is available, but I for one would like at least a few candidates to be interviewed and vetted.
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I'm not too hung up on the timing of a decision re: GG, as long as BT is investigating improving that position in the org as aggressively as he claims to do for the on-ice roster.

For example; they can be talking to AV without first canning GG.

If Flames are going to scrape the bargain bin for a coach and get another no-namer, I'd rather keep GG. Just so that I don't have to suffer through another cycle of CP new coach optimists evolving into realists the way they did with GG.

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^ I agree that GG should go.

I think there's value in a proper review with him, though, as the problems can't all be blamed on him. So getting his assessment of the team can be helpful.

Treliving strikes me as the type who would like options available when the firing does happen. In this case AV is available, but I for one would like at least a few candidates to be interviewed and vetted.
I don’t blame Gulutzan at all actually. I blame Treliving for hiring him. I do agree it is good to interview more than one candidate. I just hope Treliving doesn’t hire the next Gulutzan.
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You would think that Treliving knows at this point the fate of Gulutzan.

The body of work is there, the corpse of the season is cold, and any supplemental info from candid player interviews has now been received. GG will also have made his case as to why the team failed on the whole under his watch.

I can’t imagine that there are many further weeks or months of analysis to be done that will magically unearth some gem of wisdom that makes Tre realize that despite individual and collective results that are unacceptable, and very obvious evidence to the contrary, that he somehow has the best person for the job in place.

So I get the impatience. Tre should have some self awareness about this team and I don’t think a strong GM is waffling now. The decision that he believes he needs to make should be obvious to him. Even if it is what many of us consider to be the wrong decision, he should be sure of it. And act on it. And own it.
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Perhaps he's not making this decision in isolation, but rather trying to formulate his overall plan for the season, inclusive what he's going to with the head coach, coaching staff, roster, etc.
A complete and thorough review is not bad thing particularly since there is no particular advantage of rushing anything. There is time.
One coach has been fired so far, with more likely to come. Teams take their time to make important decisions and formulate plans. Nothing wrong with that.
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Perhaps he's not making this decision in isolation, but rather trying to formulate his overall plan for the season, inclusive what he's going to with the head coach, coaching staff, roster, etc.
A complete and thorough review is not bad thing particularly since there is no particular advantage of rushing anything. There is time.
One coach has been fired so far, with more likely to come. Teams take their time to make important decisions and formulate plans. Nothing wrong with that.
Treliving should have his plan pretty much done by now. There was plenty of time between when the season ended for the Flames, and when they eventually played their last game.
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