[Rumour] Iginla willing to waive NMC at this years deadline

[DAN0383]

Get Jagr instead.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

No I'm not. Neither had a very successful career before or after centring Iginla.

The numbers beg to differ.

When he came to Calgary, Langkow had just completed five straight 50-point seasons and three straight 20-goal seasons. Except for the '06-07 season (his career year by far), his numbers with the Flames were right in line with that track record.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

No I'm not. Neither had a very successful career before or after centring Iginla. I think your underrating what I would consider one of the most dominant and best all-around wingers of his generation. Iginla and Kipper in their prime took basically a team of plugs to the SCF. They had one rookie All-Star defenseman and a great shutdown defensemen helping them, and a great coach in Daryl Sutter. Who else from that team really had a good career afterwards?

I'm not debating the broader point that Iggy didn't have enough support around him. However, Langkow was a very good centre before landing in Calgary. His point totals improved, but he did much of that away from #12.
He was a good player on his own

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Primarily Regehr interviews at the time

Please refresh our memories with substantial evidence.

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Please refresh our memories with substantial evidence.

I don't think there is anyone that can give you hard evidence that was not directly in that room. However, for those wanting to remember Iggy for the good times, it is worthwhile to take a trip down memory lane on fan sentiment toward the end:

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=74631

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...ticle20384193/


Also: google "a room divided + flames" and again you will get some pretty clear fan sentiment on the subject. Are all the opinions and inferences in the various threads true - definitely not, but I do believe this is a "smoke/fire" thing and that our youth will not necessarily benefit from having him here.

For me personally, I have moved on from the Iginla years. I remember the good times and what a great fan experience it was to watch him take over games when there was not much else to cheer about on this team. I recognize that there were dark times also, but I had chosen to forget about those until this thread came up. To answer your earlier point, this is not about tarnishing a good mans name, Iginla was a great leader, player and ambassador to the community during his prime. I will never dispute that. However, it wasn't all roses when he was here either, especially toward the end.

[DeluxeMoustache]

^ So you are suggesting that Regehr scolding the team was scolding Iggy who Duha noted had 6 points in 4 games and was the team's most consistent player?

Thanks.

[FlamesAddiction]

My personal thoughts on it pretty much reflect the poll. I am about 50/50 leaning towards nope. I still can't decide.

[flambers]

If the Flames are looking to find a Winger at the trade deadline.

I doubt that he is the type of player they would be interested in.

More likely, they will look for a younger player who is quick.

[Yrebmi]

Regarding the poll, the yup option is for consideration and not necessarily approval of bringing Iginla back.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

^ So you are suggesting that Regehr scolding the team was scolding Iggy who Duha noted had 6 points in 4 games and was the team's most consistent player?

Thanks.

I think there was a time when Iginla and Regher just had different philospohies about what winning hockey looked like. IIRC Phaneuf was part of the debate.

It wasn't on the level of being enemies or anything.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

It's funny that no one ever accuses regher of being the problem. Maybe he was the problem and Iggy was in the right.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think there was a time when Iginla and Regher just had different philospohies about what winning hockey looked like. IIRC Phaneuf was part of the debate.

It wasn't on the level of being enemies or anything.

I would say that's obvious. To a man with a hammer, everything is a nail. Regher couldn't score a goal or jump into the play if his life depended on it. The guy could only defend, so obviously he was happy when Keenan left and wanted more defense from guys. Obviously his philosophy was purely defense.

Anyways, as one person pointed out, that's not even evidence of a feud between Regher and Iginla. There is no evidence.

All of this can be explained by a fanatics desire to watch victories and their defense mechanisms force them to attack what they believe is the cause of their unhappiness, even if that belief was created by them and not an actual reflection of reality.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I don't put an ounce of faith into fan insight in the locker room.

You know, the same locker room that saw Iginla and Phaneuf scrap since they hated each other so much, but were bosom buddies again at the allstar game.

Until someone comes out and says "x" from said locker room, I think these rumors aren't even as legitimate as TMZ (and I hate TMZ and all the crap like it).

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Primarily Regehr interviews at the time

And Sutter interviews, and Warrener interviews, and Eric Francis columns and Eric Duhatschek columns...

With Hindsight Brent looks better and better in my mind.

He tried to help Iginla change his game to be a more effective player as he began to age. Iginla resisted and now here we are.

Dreger

Brent Sutter is both head coach and part-time psychologist for the Calgary Flames; a dual role, most coaches say comes with the job. However, convincing Flames captain Jarome Iginla that scoring 30-plus goals is less important than being an all around better player isn't going to be easy.

Calgary doesn't possess the talent or skill to swap goals with the NHL's big boys, so Sutter is demanding accountability from all his players and trying to change the way Iginla thinks and plays the game.

Through 19 games, Iginla is a team worst -12, largely because, according to Sutter, as a goal scorer, Iginla thinks 'goals first.'

While three of Iginla's six goals this season were scored in victories, including two earlier this month in a 4-1 win over the Red Wings, Sutter identifies last Friday's performance in Chicago as his captain's best of the year.

Iginla didn't register a point in the win, but he blocked three shots, was responsible in his own end and played the type of game Sutter expects on a consistent basis.

As long as Sutter is in charge in Calgary, the focus will be on team play and not on propping up Iginla in his quest for a 11th straight 30-plus goal season.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

And Sutter interviews, and Warrener interviews, and Eric Francis columns and Eric Duhatschek columns...

With Hindsight Brent looks better and better in my mind.

He tried to help Iginla change his game to be a more effective player as he began to age. Iginla resisted and now here we are.

Dreger

Except Iginla continued to be an effective player as he aged by doing what he was good at. The fact he's still playing at 40 is a testament to that.

Brent Sutter was a horrible coach who couldn't figure out how to get the most of any of his players and took a perennial playoff team and ran it into the ground. There is nothing about his record as a Flames coach that makes him look good in any way.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Brent gets better and better and still can't get an NHL gig.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by DAN0383

Get Jagr instead.

No. Neither Iginla nor Jagr have the legs or enough left in the tank. The guy that intrigues me the most right now for a rental is Vrbata. RW, RS, and currently leads the Yotes in points.

[Young_Guns]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No. Neither Iginla nor Jagr have the legs or enough left in the tank. The guy that intrigues me the most right now for a rental is Vrbata. RW, RS, and currently leads the Yotes in points.

Apart from one good season in Vancouver with the Sedins, this guy seems like he can only play in Phoenix. Didn't Tampa sign him some years back to a big deal, only to buy him out a few days later?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Except Iginla continued to be an effective player as he aged by doing what he was good at. The fact he's still playing at 40 is a testament to that.

Brent Sutter was a horrible coach who couldn't figure out how to get the most of any of his players and took a perennial playoff team and ran it into the ground. There is nothing about his record as a Flames coach that makes him look good in any way.

He had a .557 winning percentage with some pretty mediocre (after the Phaneuf trade) Flames teams and that was despite not being on the same page as Iginla. Bob Hartley by comparison had a .498 and some posters here think he was great. If Iginla could have gotten over his mental hurdles that he could only be effective scoring goals those teams could have likely made the playoffs but realistically those roster were not up to snuff in regards to winning a Cup.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Brent gets better and better and still can't get an NHL gig.

Outside of the Oilers I don't think he's thrown his hat out there. He came to the Flames in the first place because he wants to be in Alberta.