No no, you missed the point. People excused Hamilton's early season... flop. The excuse used was that it was a new coach and new system. I countered it Russell who not only had a new coach and new system but also had a new team. It didn't affect him. Upside for Hamilton is high, so long as he becomes more consistent. That remains to be seen. Calgary has seen many hot streaks with Iggy and cold starts, only to miss the playoffs year after year.
Wait...so based on your statements about Hamilton being a flop and just riding a hot streak, are you saying Iggy is a flop and his whole career was a bunch of hot streaks?
Like, the same Iggy who will likely be a hall of famer...who put up over 600 goals and over 1200 points in his flop career?
No no, you missed the point. People excused Hamilton's early season... flop. The excuse used was that it was a new coach and new system. I countered it Russell who not only had a new coach and new system but also had a new team. It didn't affect him. Upside for Hamilton is high, so long as he becomes more consistent. That remains to be seen. Calgary has seen many hot streaks with Iggy and cold starts, only to miss the playoffs year after year.
You're basically ricardo, but without all the random stat pulling
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Don't defencemen usually let a forward take over coverage rather than leave their own area? They switch off covering the carrier just like when they go behind the net. I think they do the same when the carrier is circling the offensive zone. More or less a zone defence as opposed to man to man.
Yeah, it really depends with what defensive system you are coached to play. Most NHL teams play a zone D because it's just too quick but I do see what Bingo is mentioning about Russell sticking with his man, which isn't a bad play.
But with that, I've watched the video about 10 times and there is a clear disconnect with their entire D zone play. Here is my in depth analysis:
First Mistake: Both Lucic and McDavid collapsed pretty low
Second Mistake: Winnipeg made the smart move quickly getting the puck to the open point man. Four guys get caught watching the point man.
Third Mistake: Lucic, McDavid, Caggiula all commit to the point man once the play turns in that direction, leaving the open men in front of the net.
Wouldn't put that goal on Russell, rather on Lucic for collapsing and both Lucic and McDavid's lack of communication. Gotta either have faith in your centerman or in the third man back.
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Wait...so based on your statements about Hamilton being a flop and just riding a hot streak, are you saying Iggy is a flop and his whole career was a bunch of hot streaks?
Like, the same Iggy who will likely be a hall of famer...who put up over 600 goals and over 1200 points in his flop career?
...Seriously? Or am I missing something...
Iggy was allowed through much ice time and being an ironman of sorts to compile a huge amount of stats. Not many players are allowed to play 20 plus minutes a game at forward when they are struggling. Iggy was. He was on 1st PP, rarely on PK, on the ice when the opponents net was empty. Iggy always had his pick on basically who he played with, who was rolling and who wasn't. Yes, some of the stats are more due to attrition than pure skill. He struggled basically every year at the start of the year, that had no effect on his ice time or what line he played on. They would dismantle a successful line to get Iggy going at times. The Flames playoff success, and yes I include the one where we went to the Stanley, is a direct tribute to Iggy. We often didn't make the playoffs and were a cap team. I always questioned his "golly gee" interviews, I would have liked it if he hated losing a bit more being a captain on an underachieving team.
I think the whole "Jarome always started poorly" argument is a little overblown and relied upon way too heavily. I went back to look and from 2000-2001 season to the 2009-2010 season (That's 10 seasons) Jarome started as a PPG or better player in the month of October 6 times, including a 17 points in 11 games stretch and a 19 in 12 games. His worst start was a 4 point stretch in 9 games in his last season. That seems relatively consistent in his starts. And making a claim that he got to pick whoever he played with to pad his stats is just plain stupid. As stated before he was the one padding guys stats who never would have seen those numbers on other teams (Langkow, Huselius, Tanguay to name a few).
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Don't defencemen usually let a forward take over coverage rather than leave their own area? They switch off covering the carrier just like when they go behind the net. I think they do the same when the carrier is circling the offensive zone. More or less a zone defence as opposed to man to man.
A lot of teams play man in their own zone. You are in your position, but you don't let the puck carrier ever get away, because the hand off often leads to an odd man situation and the puck in the back of your net.
I this case though, it could have been two mistakes ... maybe Lucic followed him down and Russell followed him out creating an issue.
Yeah, it really depends with what defensive system you are coached to play. Most NHL teams play a zone D because it's just too quick but I do see what Bingo is mentioning about Russell sticking with his man, which isn't a bad play.
But with that, I've watched the video about 10 times and there is a clear disconnect with their entire D zone play. Here is my in depth analysis:
First Mistake: Both Lucic and McDavid collapsed pretty low
Second Mistake: Winnipeg made the smart move quickly getting the puck to the open point man. Four guys get caught watching the point man.
Third Mistake: Lucic, McDavid, Caggiula all commit to the point man once the play turns in that direction, leaving the open men in front of the net.
Wouldn't put that goal on Russell, rather on Lucic for collapsing and both Lucic and McDavid's lack of communication. Gotta either have faith in your centerman or in the third man back.
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I still put it at least in part on Russell for chasing a guy he wasn't all that close to in the first place - he wasn't going to get the puck - all the way to the blue line. I don't think that's his man. It's Lucic or McDavid - one of them should be the guy pressuring as the puck moves back to the point area. And you can see that's exactly where McDavid was (along with Russell) when the puck nears the blue line.
It's also obviously on whoever the other D was - he was clueless (at least Russell knew what he wanted to do).
But by your explanation, it's also on coaching - if that's their system, and Russell was doing what he was supposed to do, it sucks. I know if that was a Calgary defenceman, he would have gone to half boards at most, then collapsed back with the winger taking over. Watch it in real time - Russell had no chance of getting the puck and took himself out of position, when Mcdavid arguably had the better coverage.
A lot of teams play man in their own zone. You are in your position, but you don't let the puck carrier ever get away, because the hand off often leads to an odd man situation and the puck in the back of your net.
I this case though, it could have been two mistakes ... maybe Lucic followed him down and Russell followed him out creating an issue.
The exact opposite happened here - the lack of zone coverage cause the 2 on 0. It's obvious that more than one player (and possibly 3) all thought that the puck carrier was their man.
I still put it at least in part on Russell for chasing a guy he wasn't all that close to in the first place - he wasn't going to get the puck - all the way to the blue line. I don't think that's his man. It's Lucic or McDavid - one of them should be the guy pressuring as the puck moves back to the point area. And you can see that's exactly where McDavid was (along with Russell) when the puck nears the blue line.
It's also obviously on whoever the other D was - he was clueless (at least Russell knew what he wanted to do).
But by your explanation, it's also on coaching - if that's their system, and Russell was doing what he was supposed to do, it sucks. I know if that was a Calgary defenceman, he would have gone to half boards at most, then collapsed back with the winger taking over. Watch it in real time - Russell had no chance of getting the puck and took himself out of position, when Mcdavid arguably had the better coverage.
Yeah I would agree for sure Russell had a part in it. I would say that it is partially instinctual for a player who sees two of his own colored jerseys beside him attempt to spread out, thinking that one of his other players will take his position in front of the net.
Regardless, it's very clear that E will always = NG if you don't have a proper defensive game. Definitely agree that you wouldn't see that happening in a Flames game because everyone has committed to the defensive system they have in place and they trust the players around them.
Iggy was allowed through much ice time and being an ironman of sorts to compile a huge amount of stats. Not many players are allowed to play 20 plus minutes a game at forward when they are struggling. Iggy was. He was on 1st PP, rarely on PK, on the ice when the opponents net was empty. Iggy always had his pick on basically who he played with, who was rolling and who wasn't. Yes, some of the stats are more due to attrition than pure skill. He struggled basically every year at the start of the year, that had no effect on his ice time or what line he played on. They would dismantle a successful line to get Iggy going at times. The Flames playoff success, and yes I include the one where we went to the Stanley, is a direct tribute to Iggy. We often didn't make the playoffs and were a cap team. I always questioned his "golly gee" interviews, I would have liked it if he hated losing a bit more being a captain on an underachieving team.
Dude are you hearing yourself? You're saying that Iggy is the reason the flames never won a Stanley cup and that his entire 600 goal 1200 point career is just a spurt of hot streaks?
You do understand Iginla is the 36th highest all time points and 16th highest all time goals.
You do also understand the sport of hockey is a team game?
Just an update,
Hamilton is the 7th leading D scorer in the NHL as a 23 year old.
Oh why oh why didn't we trade him in week 2 of the season, we coulda had Duclair!
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Just an update,
Hamilton is the 7th leading D scorer in the NHL as a 23 year old.
You can understand why teams have been kicking the tires on him for the last year or so when the Flames have struggled. 29 other teams would love to have this kid on their roster.
