[News] Head coach Bob Hartley fired; Associate coach Jacques Cloutier not returning

[Canuck-Hater]

Monahan called Eric Francis' question totally unfair and I did detect a slight "sigh" from Mony.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Eric Francis is an idiot.

I have met him a few times and have like him a lot, but that was a very Larry Brooks esq. question.

[domenichelly]

Also Bob was our first coach for many years who worked with young players and we all saw their progression. We lost so many talented drafted players in last 10 years... and it,s GM faul that we had to see overpaid veterans over talented rookies.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Please post Monahan interview when available.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Eric Francis is an idiot.

I have met him a few times and have like him a lot, but that was a very Larry Brooks esq. question.

I agree 100% with this.

[polak]

Originally Posted by domenichelly

Also Bob was our first coach for many years who worked with young players and we all saw their progression. We lost so many talented drafted players in last 10 years... and it,s GM faul that we had to see overpaid veterans over talented rookies.

I don't think the Flames had a single player anywhere near the talent of Gaudreau, Monahan, Brodie and Bennett in the Iginla years. Yes Brodie was around for a bit of it but he was young. Defensemen usually start progressing around the time Brodie did.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by domenichelly

Too much attention for my person. Just a guy from far land who dreams to visit Flames game live once. Hope it will be soon.

My oppinion is the same as it was. We all like to see skilled players. Such players can pass and create plays. So was Hudler 2 years ago. He made today's Monahan career. He got most point with him. Now we have Jonny alone. Impossible to demand same style without players.

Lets dream. GM and coach how it should be:
GM - i gave you skilled players with creativity. Why you play such simple game? You are fired.

Our situation.
GM - I gave you hard-working players with limited puck skills. I also took out most creative player in deadline. Why do not you play posession games? You are fired.

If you think that if we will have better style coach it will help to play posession and win? Take a look at Toronto. They have best coach in hockey for today. But finished last. Coaching means a lot when you have skilled players.

"Far Land" - now tell us you're not Micheal.

I don't think your analysis is quite correct. First, Monahan got more points this year than last, and played with Hudler less this year than last (this year Hudler wasn't on the line for a good period of time and then of course got traded).

Second, Johnny isn't the only skilled player: Monahan, Bennett, Backlund, Gio, Brodie, Hamilton, Frolik are all pretty good players with the puck.

Third, Hudler (a) wasn't the "most creative player" - in fact he was having a mediocre year and (b) wasn't going to be re-signed so he had to be moved.

Fourth, creative teams play a puck possession style. Lesser skilled teams do not, because they lack the skill to, you know, possess the puck and generate lots of shots (which is how possession is measured).

[Dr. Doom]

Sounds like there was some significant dressing room issues based on that question to Monahan??

[domenichelly]

Originally Posted by polak

I don't think the Flames had a single player anywhere near the talent of Gaudreau, Monahan, Brodie and Bennett in the Iginla years. Yes Brodie was around for a bit of it but he was young. Defensemen usually start progressing around the time Brodie did.

Most of them even did not have a chance. 20-25 games is a chance. But not 2-3 games. Jonny was near to be sent down to AHL in his first season after 6 games. But BT was afraid to do so with Baker Award winner. Same near was with Monahan.

[goodyear]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Eric Francis is an idiot.

I have met him a few times and have like him a lot, but that was a very Larry Brooks esq. question.

Maybe not the right thread, but who do you see in the Flames locker room that will go full Boyle and have a "Brooksie" meltdown on Eric Francis?

I pick Wideman. Linesman, "journalists" who cares!

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by getbak

Which was?

Sorry was driving, didn't have time in the drive through line to post more.

Francis asked him something along the lines of: People are talking that with your and Johnny's upcoming contract negotiations, that perhaps you and Johnny would have made it know in exit interviews that you weren't happy with Hartley as a coach and that could impact your decisions on the upcoming contracts, fair or unfair.

Monahan's response: Unfair. Then said something along the lines of, when you are getting 18 to 20 minutes of ice time a night and have the trust of your coach, not sure what more you can really ask for or want as a player.

Take it for what it's worth, I actually go a sense from the whole interview that Mony was surprised, but also not overly sad (but I'm trying to be very careful not to read too much into a young players attempt to say the right things), but I was just impressed with how he handled that question.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by dino7c

this move is getting absolutely ripped on social media so it was probably the right move lol...the lack of knowledge from the average fan is just insane.

"not Bob's fault the team had no offence" was my fav. comment

Wow, you're so knowable and cool for ripping on the "average fans"
So far above average

[domenichelly]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

"Far Land" - now tell us you're not Micheal.

I don't think your analysis is quite correct. First, Monahan got more points this year than last, and played with Hudler less this year than last (this year Hudler wasn't on the line for a good period of time and then of course got traded).

Second, Johnny isn't the only skilled player: Monahan, Bennett, Backlund, Gio, Brodie, Hamilton, Frolik are all pretty good players with the puck.

Third, Hudler (a) wasn't the "most creative player" - in fact he was having a mediocre year and (b) wasn't going to be re-signed so he had to be moved.

Fourth, creative teams play a puck possession style. Lesser skilled teams do not, because they lack the skill to, you know, possess the puck and generate lots of shots (which is how possession is measured).

Hudler had one bad year. May be it was because of injury? He was our most creative player for 3 years. Best passing player for a long time. I agree that he had to be traded because of contract and not gameplay reasons.

Frolik, Bennett, Backlund and others are good plyers but they do not have enough creativity on the ice. That what i mean.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by dino7c

this move is getting absolutely ripped on social media so it was probably the right move lol...the lack of knowledge from the average fan is just insane.

"not Bob's fault the team had no offence" was my fav. comment

The thing about social media is that you pick and choose your "feed". Who do you follow/are friends with.

My feed is mostly happy about the move.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

They want defensive responsibility so they're bringing in Bruce Boudreau?

Absolutely.

Unique Team Traits: The Duck's D-Zone discipline led to O-Zone opportunities

The team's success in transitioning from the D-zone appears to have been built on the backs of the club's young, fast defenders. Cam Fowler's 29 percent success rate on zone exits is an impressive mark for a top-pairing defender, and as a team they were in the top-five in passes out of the D-zone - behind only St. Louis, New York Rangers, the Chicago Blackhawks, and the team that employs Ryan Suter.

That’s good company.

[mikeecho]

I don't mind Bob and have been a supporter of his over the years, but no coach is 100% perfect and Bob definitely had his faults which became quite noticeable this year.

Like most businesses, senior people have a shelf life and coaching is no different. 4 years is already on the long side and Bob had already played all of his cards when it came to moving this team forward.

I agree with Treliving. Bob did a good job to get the team this far and set the foundation, but moving this team forward to the next level is going to require someone with a different approach. Perhaps Bob could have evolved and taken the team forward, but I became convinced change would come on green garbage day when Treliving talked about needing to evolve the style to focus more on possession and Bob later in the day dismissed that any change was needed.

That's life in pro hockey. They are compensated handsomely and are hired to be fired. It's still tough, but I'm sure even Bob would agree it's still better than making a living making windshields.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Wow, you're so knowable and cool for ripping on the "average fans"
So far above average

well I certainly know that Flames biggest problem wasn't a lack of offense

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Please post Monahan interview when available.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/960/the-big-...-isnt-hartley/

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by saillias

The thing about social media is that you pick and choose your "feed". Who do you follow/are friends with.

My feed is mostly happy about the move.

I was talking the general Flames feed on facebook....I would say 90% against this move. Its the reasons why that are laughable though.

Not surprised Hartley was certainly a likeable guy

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Beauty response by Mony just now on the Fan to Eric asking him if he and Johnny pushed for this move given their contract negotiations.

LINK PLEASE (yes, with all caps)

Edit: nm, just saw the link