Man who beheaded fellow bus passenger wants to live on his own

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Dion

Yes that's my understanding and I would think if Li and his lawyer told the review board that they agree to further monitoring it would be in the details of his discharge.

That's a conditional discharge this is an absolute discharge.

I believe that this won't even show up on vulnerable sector police checks. For sure regular crim checks it won't show up (which is good for his future employment.)

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Dion

Yes that's my understanding and I would think if Li and his lawyer told the review board that they agree to further monitoring it would be in the details of his discharge.

I don't believe there's any details in an absolute discharge, as that's the whole point an absolute discharge. A CP lawyer can correct me if I'm wrong.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by GGG

He decided he didn't need them anymore about the same time as he quit seeing his shrink and disappeared.

The mental health system routinely fails at stopping these types of incidences. And now that he is a normal person he does not have any other requirements. It's very naive to believe that somehow some failsafe will be triggered. The absolute discharge removed those failsafes.

For better or worse we are relying on Li to be mentally stable enough to maintain employment to afford his medication and continue to take it and have it adjusted. I hope he is successful. But you position that the system will save him is naive.

Given Li's history, alarm bells would go off if stopped seeing his shrink and disappeared. The RCMP or police would be notified and there would be a man hunt for Li.

It's naive to think his medical history would be wiped clean with a discharge.

[transplant99]

From what I understood at the time, Li was hearing voices of aliens and such and was told to kill his victim that day by said voices.

What is to prevent him even accidentally, missing doses and the voices start up again telling him to not take the meds at all and he starts towards another psychotic break?

I think its fair for Canadian citizens to require someone with his history to be monitored and forced to medicate going forward.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Dion

Given Li's history, alarm bells would go off if stopped seeing his shrink and disappeared. The RCMP or police would be notified and there would be a man hunt for Li.

It's naive to think his medical history would be wiped clean with a discharge.

There's really no sense discussing this with you with what you're doing.

You honestly don't seem to have a genuine grasp of what's happening here.

The concern people are conveying to you is that there is now the time, room and freedom for him to stop taking his medication long enough to have an episode with this full release.

You are countering that by claiming things are in place that are not, misunderstanding the situation and suggesting with a vague and blank "someone would notice".

It's frustrating to read.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Dion

Given Li's history, alarm bells would go off if stopped seeing his shrink and disappeared. The RCMP or police would be notified and there would be a man hunt for Li.

It's naive to think his medical history would be wiped clean with a discharge.

Dion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you punking us??!!! It's an ABSOLUTE discharge!!!!!

All the alarm bells in the world can go off but he's legally allowed to stop seeing a shrink and legally allowed to stop taking his meds.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Dion

Given Li's history, alarm bells would go off if stopped seeing his shrink and disappeared. The RCMP or police would be notified and there would be a man hunt for Li.

It's naive to think his medical history would be wiped clean with a discharge.

A man hunt why?

If I understand correctly, he would be committing no crimes so the police would have zero grounds to even look for him nevermind "manhunt" him.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I don't believe there's any details in an absolute discharge, as that's the whole point an absolute discharge. A CP lawyer can correct me if I'm wrong.

I could be wrong too and would love to hear what a lawyer says.

[EldrickOnIce]

Any free individual may stop taking their prescribed medication. Baker is no different.
He is considered no more threat than you or I, and could only be reported to authorities under very specific circumstances, and not taking meds is certainly not one of those circumstances.
Unconditional is exactly that. Unconditional

[transplant99]

A schizophrenic man who was found not criminally responsible for beheading and cannibalizing a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus was granted an absolute discharge Friday.

That means he will no longer be subject to any conditions or monitoring to ensure he takes his medication.

Manitoba's Criminal Code Review Board granted a request from Will Baker's lawyer to give Baker his full freedom, nine years after the brutal stabbing that horrified passengers.

The board "is of the opinion that the weight of evidence does not substantiate that Mr. Baker poses a significant threat to the safety of the public," the written decision read in part.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/02..._14682796.html

[Dion]

Originally Posted by transplant99

A man hunt why?

If I understand correctly, he would be committing no crimes so the police would have zero grounds to even look for him nevermind "manhunt" him.

He never committed a crime in the first place. The issue is his schizophrenia and the real possibility he could hurt someone if he disappeared.

He may have a discharge but the medical profession still has a duty to report someone who they think is a risk to others.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Dion

He never committed a crime in the first place. The issue is his schizophrenia and the real possibility he could hurt someone if he disappeared.

He may have a discharge but the medical profession still has a duty to report someone who they think is a risk to others.

In very specific circumstances. A) Paranoid Schizophrenia isn't really conducive to showing an immediate threat in a meeting with a professional and B) He has no legal obligation to see professionals anymore.

[Red Potato Standing By]

So do regular prisoners(ones without medical conditions) get monitored for the rest of their lives when they are released?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by transplant99

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/02..._14682796.html

The part of the article that says...."That means he will no longer be subject to any conditions or monitoring to ensure he takes his medication."

The above quote troubles me greatly given what Li and his lawyer said they would do.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by jayswin

In very specific circumstances. A) Paranoid Schizophrenia isn't really conducive to showing an immediate threat in a meeting with a professional and B) He has no legal obligation to see professionals anymore.

I have no disagreement with the above

It doesn't explain how Li is going to get refills on his medication. He has to see a professional to get them like everyone else does.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Dion

He never committed a crime in the first place. The issue is his schizophrenia and the real possibility he could hurt someone if he disappeared.

He may have a discharge but the medical profession still has a duty to report someone who they think is a risk to others.

I see.

So there was no random stabbing, beheading, and cannibalism on that bus that day?

To say he didn't commit a crime is nothing more than semantics. He committed a crime, he was just found not responsible for doing it because of his state of mind. To simply say he didn't do anything is an affront to his victim, his victims family, the other on the bus that day as well as the first responders...whose lives will never be the same again because of this guys actions.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Dion

I have no disagreement with the above

It doesn't explain how Li is going to get refills on his medication. He has to see a professional to get them like everyone else does.

He is not obligated to take any medication.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Dion

I have no disagreement with the above

It doesn't explain how Li is going to get refills on his medication. He has to see a professional to get them like everyone else does.

He doesn't HAVE to get refills though...why are you not grasping this?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Any free individual may stop taking their prescribed medication. Baker is no different.

How many of this individuals have a past like Li?

I can come off my antidpressents and anxiety meds and not be a threat.

Can you say the same for Li?

He is considered no more threat than you or I, and could only be reported to authorities under very specific circumstances, and not taking meds is certainly not one of those circumstances.

Unconditional is exactly that. Unconditional[/QUOTE]

He's no longer a threat because of the "medication" he takes and the belief he will take them for the rest of his life.

[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by Zethrynn

So do regular prisoners(ones without medical conditions) get monitored for the rest of their lives when they are released?

They have a criminal record, so I would imagine they would. Especially if they cut someone's head off.