Calgary Flames Draft 15th Overall in the 2015 Draft

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

While Craig Button was with the Stars and North Stars from 1988 to 2000 (where he held the titles of Director of Scouting and Director of Player Personnel), the Stars drafted:

Todd Harvey, Jamie Langenbrunner, Marty Turco, Jarome Iginla, Peter Buzek, Brendan Morrow, Steve Ott

North Stars drafted (where he was listed as a scout, but 4 years later became the director of scouting for the franchise, so maybe safe to say he had a big say in some of their decisions)
Jere Lehtinen, Richard Matvichuk, Roman Turek, Arturs Irbe, Mike Modano, Derian Hatcher

any picks since the turn of the century?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

any picks since the turn of the century?

What does that have to do with anything?

You posted his Calgary drafting record as if it proved he can't find anyone, when his Stars drafting record does back up the thinking that he was a pretty good talent evaluator before he came to the Flames.

He didn't do a very good job in Calgary, that is for sure, but he did put together a lot of the 03/04 team. Maybe the poor drafting was a combination of his added responsibilities as a GM not allowing him to have as much hands on the scouting process and having to rely on his staff and the fact at the time of his tenure with the Flames, the team was not known to be a big spender and who knows what their scouting budget was relative to other teams.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

What does that have to do with anything?

You posted his Calgary drafting record as if it proved he can't find anyone, when his Stars drafting record does back up the thinking that he was a pretty good talent evaluator before he came to the Flames.

He didn't do a very good job in Calgary, that is for sure, but he did put together a lot of the 03/04 team. Maybe the poor drafting was a combination of his added responsibilities as a GM not allowing him to have as much hands on the scouting process and having to rely on his staff and the fact at the time of his tenure with the Flames, the team was not known to be a big spender and who knows what their scouting budget was relative to other teams.

Didn't they also do video scouting? When Darryl came in he hired a bunch of scouts iirc

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

What does that have to do with anything?

You posted his Calgary drafting record as if it proved he can't find anyone, when his Stars drafting record does back up the thinking that he was a pretty good talent evaluator before he came to the Flames.

He didn't do a very good job in Calgary, that is for sure, but he did put together a lot of the 03/04 team. Maybe the poor drafting was a combination of his added responsibilities as a GM not allowing him to have as much hands on the scouting process and having to rely on his staff and the fact at the time of his tenure with the Flames, the team was not known to be a big spender and who knows what their scouting budget was relative to other teams.

you think he's a excellent talent evaluator? That's certainly your prerogative... I'll just agree to disagree and leave it at that....

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

2000 1 9 Brent Krahn Canada G 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 3.00
2000 2 40 Kurtis Foster Canada D 405 42 118 160 308
2000 2 46 Jarret Stoll Canada C 792 140 239 379 582
2000 4 116 Levente Szuper Hungary G
2000 5 141 Wade Davis Canada D
2000 5 155 Travis Moen Canada F 724 59 75 134 780
2000 6 176 Jukka Hentunen Finland RW 38 4 5 9 4
2000 8 239 David Hajek Czech Republic D
2000 9 270 Micki DuPont Canada D 23 1 3 4 12

2001 1 14 Chuck Kobasew Canada RW 601 110 100 210 394
2001 2 41 Andrei Taratukhin Russia C
2001 2 56 Andrei Medvedev Russia G
2001 4 108 Tomi Maki Finland RW 1 0 0 0 0
2001 4 124 Egor Shastin Russia F
2001 5 145 James Hakewill United States D
2001 5 164 Yuri Trubachev Russia C
2001 7 207 Garrett Bembridge Canada RW
2001 7 220 David Moss United States RW 501 78 100 178 157
2001 8 233 Joe Campbell United States D
2001 8 251 Ville Hamalainen Finland RW

2002 1 10 Eric Nystrom United States LW 547 68 48 116 381
2002 2 39 Brian McConnell United States F
2002 3 90 Matthew Lombardi Canada C 536 101 161 262 293
2002 4 112 Yuri Artemenkov Russia RW
2002 5 141 Jiri Cetkovsky Czech Republic RW
2002 5 142 Emanuel Peter Switzerland C
2002 5 146 Victor Bobrov Russia F
2002 5 159 Kristofer Persson Sweden RW
2002 6 176 Curtis McElhinney Canada G 129 0 2 2 2 41 51 0 7 2.95
2002 7 202 David Van der Gulik Canada RW 49 2 11 13 10
2002 7 207 Pierre Johnsson Sweden RW
2002 8 238 Jyri Marttinen Finland D

You think that's a bad list? Have a look at Sutter's record!

Seriously though, in 3 drafts he picked 6 players who played over 500 NHL games. If a GM can find 2 long-serving NHL players per draft I think he's doing pretty average-to-well.

He rolled the dice on a few Russians just before the KHL era. I'd say that was a poor gamble. Krahn sticks out as a massive flop, but how could Button have known he would have crippling knee injuries which would end his career?

Other than that I don't look at that list and see 'terrible evaluator of talent'. I've certainly seen worse lists.

[FlameZilla]

In other news, it's nice to see that the Bus Driver has finally shed all those extra pounds: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Medvedev

[Caged Great]

Plus all the drafts from 1999-2002 were terrible, so that doesn't help much.

Out of those 3 drafts only 94 players played more than 500 games.

That breaks down to just a fraction over 1 player per team per year.

The Flames had double that.

[Da_Chief]

That Button list actually doesn't look bad at all. No stars but in each draft he found at least couple NHL players.
Foster, Stoll, Moen, Kobasew, Moss, Nystrom, Lombardi, McElhinney. If he had found couple of top 6 guys then this list would be really impressive. For now its a decent list.

[N26]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

In other news, it's nice to see that the Bus Driver has finally shed all those extra pounds: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Medvedev

Not the same Andrei Medvedev

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

You think that's a bad list? Have a look at Sutter's record!

Seriously though, in 3 drafts he picked 6 players who played over 500 NHL games. If a GM can find 2 long-serving NHL players per draft I think he's doing pretty average-to-well.

He rolled the dice on a few Russians just before the KHL era. I'd say that was a poor gamble. Krahn sticks out as a massive flop, but how could Button have known he would have crippling knee injuries which would end his career?

Other than that I don't look at that list and see 'terrible evaluator of talent'. I've certainly seen worse lists.

Also add in McElhinney.

Finding seven bonafide NHL players in three drafts during the NHL's worst period of junior talent is solid. Pound for pound better than Sutter's draft record.

[FlamesAddiction]

Button managed the Flames at a time when the Flames were a "poor" team and the gap between the rich and poor teams was huge. He was at a disadvantage, especially compared to where the Flames are now.

Having said that, the Flames should not have had a rookie GM at that point. Small mistakes were magnified and the Flames didn't have the financial backing to correct them. Things like mismanaging the Savard/Gilbert situation, casting off players that still had potential and some bad signings that crippled the budget were magnified. We needed homeruns in the draft and didn't get them. Maybe an unfair expectation, but it was pretty much the only thing that would have gotten us out of the hole we were in.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Krahn sticks out as a massive flop, but how could Button have known he would have crippling knee injuries which would end his career?

To be fair Button had no hand in the Flames 2000 draft. Stars made it a condition of his hiring with the Flames that he not be involved in that draft IIRC (may have been only the 1st round?)

edit:

Yup Button was not allowed to make any picks in the 2000 draft:
http://www.canoe.ca/HockeyCalgaryArchive/jun26_fla.html

Button agreed not to take part directly in the draft when he joined the team this month from the Dallas Stars organization. He watched from the team's private box rather than at the Flames' ice-level draft table when the selections were made.

[FCAV]

Our final ranking for the 2015 NHL Draft is now out, and features a top-100 ranking for free live on our website. No surprise, Connor McDavid and Jack Eichel are 1-2.

The top-100 should offer up some more names for the Flames, with six picks in the first three rounds.

http://futureconsiderations.ca/fc-re...or-2015-draft/

Our full top-211 can be found in the 2015 NHL Draft Guide, which also features full profiles and scouting reports on each. CP discount, of course, available.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=147298

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

To be fair Button had no hand in the Flames 2000 draft. Stars made it a condition of his hiring with the Flames that he not be involved in that draft IIRC (may have been only the 1st round?)

From what I recall, it was just the first round. And I think the Flames had to show them their top pick shortlist or something like that.

edit: or maybe not

[Bootsy]

I'm with oldschool I think Button was awful. At the time he had a huge ego and thought he was the smartest guy in the room all the time , he didn't listen people surrounding him. When the entire Saint John staff tells him not to give up on Martin St.Louis because there is something special there and Button then takes it upon himself and his keen sense of talent evaluation to ignore them and release St.Louis the very next day something is wrong.
With that said I don't mind him as an analysist and looking at his lists, I think he's been humbled since he's never seen a sniff of being a GM again.

[David Struch]

Was Button's first deal a 2nd (Matt Pettinger) for Mikka Elomo?

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

2000 1 9 Brent Krahn Canada G 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 3.00
2000 2 40 Kurtis Foster Canada D 405 42 118 160 308
2000 2 46 Jarret Stoll Canada C 792 140 239 379 582
2000 4 116 Levente Szuper Hungary G
2000 5 141 Wade Davis Canada D
2000 5 155 Travis Moen Canada F 724 59 75 134 780
2000 6 176 Jukka Hentunen Finland RW 38 4 5 9 4
2000 8 239 David Hajek Czech Republic D
2000 9 270 Micki DuPont Canada D 23 1 3 4 12

2001 1 14 Chuck Kobasew Canada RW 601 110 100 210 394
2001 2 41 Andrei Taratukhin Russia C
2001 2 56 Andrei Medvedev Russia G
2001 4 108 Tomi Maki Finland RW 1 0 0 0 0
2001 4 124 Egor Shastin Russia F
2001 5 145 James Hakewill United States D
2001 5 164 Yuri Trubachev Russia C
2001 7 207 Garrett Bembridge Canada RW
2001 7 220 David Moss United States RW 501 78 100 178 157
2001 8 233 Joe Campbell United States D
2001 8 251 Ville Hamalainen Finland RW

2002 1 10 Eric Nystrom United States LW 547 68 48 116 381
2002 2 39 Brian McConnell United States F
2002 3 90 Matthew Lombardi Canada C 536 101 161 262 293
2002 4 112 Yuri Artemenkov Russia RW
2002 5 141 Jiri Cetkovsky Czech Republic RW
2002 5 142 Emanuel Peter Switzerland C
2002 5 146 Victor Bobrov Russia F
2002 5 159 Kristofer Persson Sweden RW
2002 6 176 Curtis McElhinney Canada G 129 0 2 2 2 41 51 0 7 2.95
2002 7 202 David Van der Gulik Canada RW 49 2 11 13 10
2002 7 207 Pierre Johnsson Sweden RW
2002 8 238 Jyri Marttinen Finland D

That list isn't that bad, getting 1100+ NHL games out of every draft is fairly impressive. The Flames haven't done it since then (although they came close in 2004 between Boyd, Pardy and Prust). 2008 is the next Flames draft that has a chance of reaching 1100 games.

[dammage79]

Jens Looke may be a decent 3rd round pick up. Or one of the late 2nd's. RH RW. Swedish, looked pretty good in the WJC.

[Dime_On_Flames]

I'll be over the moon if the Flames get Zacha at 15 and Kylington and/or Carlo with our 2nd rounders. Very unlikely but that's the dream for me.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by N26

Not the same Andrei Medvedev

You're right. Here is what the real Medvedev is up to these days:

Spoiler!