[Trade] Flames trade Baertschi to VAN for a 2015 2nd round pick (Baertschi requested trade)

[DuffMan]

I'm happy Sven will get a chance to play somewhere, but not happy it is VCR.

[FlamesAddiction]

I'm glad the questions about his attitude were confirmed. He has no intention of working for it... he wants it handed to him on a golden platter.

I recall at the beginning of the season when he was sent down, made some pouty comments and then complained to the Swiss media through his father. A lot of people tried to give him the benefit of the doubt saying that English wasn't his first language and that he wasn't used to media. Now we at least know he was sincere.

[skudr248]

Originally Posted by The_Future

I can't wait for Sven to absolutely light it up against the Flames now. Seriously any other team and he would suck, but he will probably be 100 point a season guy now.

Sorry, I am a Sven fan, but 100 point season... what fantasy land are you living in? This guy will never score 100 points

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Off the top of my head? No. But do you seriously look at Burke's enire quote and feel as though it qualifies as a "rip"? I don't get it. He was critical. He was honest. In his last paragraph he was also hopeful and confident about Baertschi's future.

I don't get how you can possibly interpret this from such a singularly lopsided perspective.

I'm ok with Burke's comments.

But I will note that they seemed to be the exception than the norm. I can't really remember him singling out any other Flames prospect, and doing it so soon after his hiring.

All in all, there just seemed to be something about Sven that rubbed Burke and Hartley the wrong way. Not saying that was the reason Sven didn't succeed on the ice, but something was amiss.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by The_Future

I can't wait for Sven to absolutely light it up against the Flames now. Seriously any other team and he would suck, but he will probably be 100 point a season guy now.

After hearing about the severity of the Gio injury I needed a good laugh. Actually lol'd at this. Thank you

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

You're the only one who felt it necessary to remind us all about how "right" you were.

Uhhh... no he wasn't.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

You're the only one who felt it necessary to remind us all about how "right" you were. Of course, this is not the first time.

I don't think that's what I said at all. I just said I thought he wasn't that good at all when he played for the Flames. He could be a star in Vancouver could he not? So how am I right? Am I not allowed to say my opinion now? You really don't need to be a dick all the time you know.

[UKflames]

Can't say I like this trade but I can understand why Sven felt it would be better for him to move on.

I find it amusing that those on here who were glad he was being traded and wanted him traded suddenly felt the need to rip on the guy when it became clear he wanted to move on from the flames. Double standard, much.

[cowtown75]

Well, I'm glad Treliving was able to get a decent return for him considering the circumstances. Unfortunate it was Vancouver but, it is what it is.

[Tinordi]

I blame a bit of this on Feaster who clearly made Sven think that he had cemented his role on the team. He sold out Sven's development to sell hope to fans reluctant to see the writing on the wall. Just a disaster that period of purgatory this franchise went through to avoid making the decision to rebuild.

On to Sven, he's just not that great. Sure maybe he'll beat the odds and turn it around but he doesn't have great speed, a great shot, great playmaking or great hustle. He's good or decent at those things but if he can't even hack it as an offensive threat in the AHL what are his chances of being an NHL player? Very small. A 2nd rounder is great value.

[Geeoff]

I've decided to turn heel on Baertschi. He's been an entitled, whiny prima donna since the start. Unfortunately, that attitude fits with the Canucks, so he has a chance to be successful there. I hope we draft a nasty defenseman with this pick and he plays the Regehr to Baertschi's Hemsky.

[polak]

I feel bad for all the Baertschi jersey owners out there. People really ate up the hype.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I'm glad the questions about his attitude were confirmed. He has no intention of working for it... he wants it handed to him on a golden platter.

I recall at the beginning of the season when he was sent down, made some pouty comments and then complained to the Swiss media through his father. A lot of people tried to give him the benefit of the doubt saying that English wasn't his first language and that he wasn't used to media. Now we at least know he was sincere.

This is not true.

He made an effort to explicitly deny the comments made by his father.

He could have very well told his dad that he was unhappy, but his intent was never to complain through the media. He should not be blamed for his father's mistakes.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

I'm ok with Burke's comments.

But I will note that they seemed to be the exception than the norm. I can't really remember him singling out any other Flames prospect, and doing it so soon after his hiring.

All in all, there just seemed to be something about Sven that rubbed Burke and Hartley the wrong way. Not saying that was the reason Sven didn't succeed on the ice, but something was amiss.

I think you are probably right. For the record, I also am not convinced that Burke handled this situation correctly, and have for a long time thought that he was too much of a media whore who too often said much more than necessary.

Having said that, I also see absolutely no reason why Burke's comments should have had any sort of detrimental, crippling emotional impact that effectively derailed Beartschi's development. For whatever reason that Baertschi has ended up behind schedule, or has not lived up to early expectations, I cannot accept that Burke's public comments had that significant an impact. This was likely to happen even if he had kept his mouth shut.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

I blame a bit of this on Feaster who clearly made Sven think that he had cemented his role on the team. He sold out Sven's development to sell hope to fans reluctant to see the writing on the wall. Just a disaster that period of purgatory this franchise went through to avoid making the decision to rebuild.

On to Sven, he's just not that great. Sure maybe he'll beat the odds and turn it around but he doesn't have great speed, a great shot, great playmaking or great hustle. He's good or decent at those things but if he can't even hack it as an offensive threat in the AHL what are his chances of being an NHL player? Very small. A 2nd rounder is great value.

Being anointed the successor to Iginla certainly didn't help but he's not the first young player to be burdened with expectations. He just didn't have the mental makeup to deal with the harsh criticism that comes with being a pro. Like a lot of junior players he had enough all around skills to dominate against players not destined to play in the NHL but nothing about his game is elite as a professional player. I think he still has a chance to salvage his career in Vancouver but he still needs a lot of work.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by squirtle

Calgary were the ones trying to shop baertschi per benning

Benning doesn't even seem to really know baertschi's situation. Says he's a fast player and doesn't really know what happened in his development.

Seems like Burke and Treliving really wanted to trade him. Especially to a division rival I hope they know what they are doing

The fact that they were willing to trade him to a divisional rival pretty much shows how much faith they have in Baertschi being able to be an NHL player let alone reach his potential.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't really want to get into this again, since it doesn't matter anymore, but can you show me other examples where management has ripped into their own prospect that badly?

Burke did it with Kadri.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

I blame a bit of this on Feaster who clearly made Sven think that he had cemented his role on the team. He sold out Sven's development to sell hope to fans reluctant to see the writing on the wall. Just a disaster that period of purgatory this franchise went through to avoid making the decision to rebuild.

He should have never made the team coming out of the 2013 training camp.

Had a terrible development camp, terrible training camp, and was not that good over the first 25 games that year.

Feaster kept him up as "his guy" and then Burke had to send him down after firing Feaster, driving the wedge between Burke and Sven even deeper.

I think it would have been completely different if Sven had been sent down right away that year and had been sent a message right away that he needed to be better and wasn't going to be handed a spot.

The way it all ended up happening with Feaster being fired and then Burke/Hartley sending it down just made Sven think "I was good enough, Burke just doesn't like me."

[flames_fan13]

I'm not sure Baertschi will experience anything different in Vancouver as Desjardin seems to be like Hartley in demanding a lot from his players. When you look at how the Canucks use Kassian in and out of the line up. I'm not sure Baertschi will be playing consistently on the Canucks roster.

When I first heard they traded Sven to Vancouver my only thought was hoping it wasn't for Kassian. Another 2nd round pick this draft is pretty good for a player who wasn't going to consistently play in Calgary.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

The fact that they were willing to trade him to a divisional rival pretty much shows how much faith they have in Baertschi being able to be an NHL player let alone reach his potential.

I would imagine if an eastern team offered a 2nd round pick the Flames would have gladly sent him there before Vancouver.