[Signing] Flames Sign Devin Setoguchi to one year 750k deal.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

If BT is right about his attitude I can see him playing top 6 and PP. He'll increase his production. I don't think they got him to be a plug, they are giving him a chance to fix his career -

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That is exactly what the Jets were saying one year ago. They gave up a 2nd round pick for him. He was supposed to be a Burmistrov replacement. They didn't plan on Setogouchi to be a plug just the same way the Wild did not plan on him being a filler on another non-playoff team after giving up Burns for him and a first.

The Sharks gave him a 3 yr 9M deal as a RFA and he was the happiest Shark in the land .... the very next day they traded him to the Wild..

The Sharks had figured out he was a passenger riding on the Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski, Clowe, Couture train.

They seem to have gone out of their way to mess him up.

The Sharks did not want him back for a 1 yr 1M deal to play with the guys that he once was successful with. That puts some perspective on how long of a long shot he is.


People have called this a win/win for the Flames.... If somehow Setogouchi completely turns around his 5-yr decline and scores 20-25 goals he is a UFA and will not be signing with the Flames. It is win win for Setogouchi....This year he is still playing in the NHL (for far More money than he would get in the KHL) and if he does well he gets an even bigger payday next year.

[Vinny01]

If Seto scores 20-25 for the flames and won't sign an extension perhaps his value creeps back to the 2nd round pick territory or more likely a 3rd round pick?

Big wake up call for Seto this summer te nice part is if he struggles big time throw him on waivers and send him down. There is no risk here for the flames at all and hey maybe he is motivated and is a nice fit under Hartley.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

That is exactly what the Jets were saying one year ago. They gave up a 2nd round pick for him. He was supposed to be a Burmistrov replacement. They didn't plan on Setogouchi to be a plug just the same way the Wild did not plan on him being a filler on another non-playoff team after giving up Burns for him and a first.

The Sharks gave him a 3 yr 9M deal as a RFA and he was the happiest Shark in the land .... the very next day they traded him to the Wild..

The Sharks had figured out he was a passenger riding on the Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski, Clowe, Couture train.

Wait, you can't lump Ryan Clowe in with these guys because they also traded him/let him go. Plus, he hasn't done nearly as well since leaving SJ.

They seem to have gone out of their way to mess him up.

See, when you post a bunch of facts like above, and then say something totally off-base like this it makes it seem like you have no idea what you are talking about. They did not go "out of their way" as you put it, they capitalized on an asset that was under their control. Weird how you interpreted it, like they had a vendetta against him.

The Sharks did not want him back for a 1 yr 1M deal to play with the guys that he once was successful with. That puts some perspective on how long of a long shot he is.


People have called this a win/win for the Flames.... If somehow Setogouchi completely turns around his 5-yr decline and scores 20-25 goals he is a UFA and will not be signing with the Flames. It is win win for Setogouchi....This year he is still playing in the NHL (for far More money than he would get in the KHL) and if he does well he gets an even bigger payday next year.

I can't wrap my mind around how you think. If he plays very well the Flames might want to re-sign him before the season ends. If he gives them the cold shoulder (not sure why he would since the Flames have a crazy amount of cap space to pay him what he deserves) then they would trade him at the deadline for another asset. It's a situation where everybody has something to gain by him doing well, and nobody gains anything if he doesn't, except a top 3 pick perhaps.

Start making sense dude.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Hartley for the most part tries to get the 100% out of each player. If Seto hits 20 goals with u, I will be very pleased. I have no expectations for him, wishing him the best on our team.

[Point Blank]

The thing about Ricardo that fascinates me the most is how he seems to post nonsense after nonsense, and every single time a ton of posters jump on him but he's completely unfazed by it as if he's unable to detect the negative reinforcement.

Mix Ricardo with some of our overly sensitive posters (you know who you are) and you'll probably get a more average CP poster.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Hartley for the most part tries to get the 100% out of each player. If Seto hits 20 goals with u, I will be very pleased. I have no expectations for him, wishing him the best on our team.

That's the key. If Seto doesn't buy into what Hartley and the coaching staff want he is not long for the big club especially with several hungry prospects knocking on the door. If he does fit in and plays 100% he could have a big year and get back to being a 40+pt player

[RedMan12]

I cannot wait to revisit this thread in March. I think it's a decent depth signing and I hope he turns his career around.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

That's the key. If Seto doesn't buy into what Hartley and the coaching staff want he is not long for the big club especially with several hungry prospects knocking on the door. If he does fit in and plays 100% he could have a big year and get back to being a 40+pt player

Exactly... That's why I don't know why some posters are opposed to this deal. It's a win-win for Calgary. If the one year reclamation project doesn't work out, then the rookies will play.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Actually Hiller's signing does make some sense if you're going to tank. It's 4.5 million dollars closer to the floor for a goalie that's not as good as Ramo was last year. They both had a .911 sv%, while Hiller did post a better GAA at 2.48 vs Ramo's 2.65. Anaheim was one of the very best teams, while the Flames were not. Add in 3 million for Engelland and you have 7.5 million tied up in players that won't really contribute much to wins in the standings.

and Hiller is replacing Berra.... who was the arguably worst goalie in the league with more than 30 games played.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Wait, you can't lump Ryan Clowe in with these guys because they also traded him/let him go. Plus, he hasn't done nearly as well since leaving SJ

Start making sense dude.

Clowe was by far the superior player the last year Setoguchi played for SJ.... not even close.

I could also lump Heatley with the guys that Setoguchi was fortunate enough to play with.

[driveway]

Re: Setoguchi bumping young players. Is player development better served by playing for what will likely be a good to very-good AHL team, or by playing for an NHL team which is going to be, in the absolute best-case scenario, a mediocre team?

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Exactly... That's why I don't know why some posters are opposed to this deal. It's a win-win for Calgary. If the one year reclamation project doesn't work out, then the rookies will play.

Yeah, I think the Flames are due for a nice feel good reclamation project. I hope this works out well for everyone and Flames get a 2nd in 2015 when they trade him to a team that is desperate for playoff scoring depth.

One can dream!

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Clowe was by far the superior player the last year Setoguchi played for SJ.... not even close.

I could also lump Heatley with the guys that Setoguchi was fortunate enough to play with.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Clowe have all of zero goals in his last season with the Sharks. He's a better player sure, but you can hardly call any offensive forward superior when he has zero goals over half of a season. Also Clowe signed for almost five million dollars a year, so how are the two contracts comparable?

Clowe also could be a prime buyout candidate for the Devils someday, he's not really that good of a player (signed to a bad Clarkson type contract).

[mile]

Calgary Flames ‏@NHLFlames 5h FYI: New #Flames winger Devin Setoguchi will wear #22 this season!


I guess he won't be wearing 15 like previously stated, that will be Smid's number after all.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by mile

Calgary Flames ‏@NHLFlames 5h FYI: New #Flames winger Devin Setoguchi will wear #22 this season!


I guess he won't be wearing 15 like previously stated, that will be Smid's number after all.

Well now I'm just going to look silly.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Clowe was by far the superior player the last year Setoguchi played for SJ.... not even close.

I could also lump Heatley with the guys that Setoguchi was fortunate enough to play with.

I'm already at the point where I don't take a single thing you say seriously anymore.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

I'm already at the point where I don't take a single thing you say seriously anymore.

I sort of understand that.

Some folks have trouble dealing with facts.


The last year that Seteguchi and Clowe played together was 2010-11

Ryane Clowe, LW gp 75 goals 24 asst 38 pts 62 +13 PIM 100 TOI 17:58

Devin Setoguchi, RW 72 22 19 41 -2 37 15:12


Setoguchi played very well in the playoffs:

Devin Setoguchi, RW 18 7 3 10 -7 12 17:26

but Clowe was no slouch

Ryane Clowe, LW 17 6 9 15 5 32 19:27

In fact most fans, coaches, analysts, casual hockey observers would say that Clowe was clearly the better more important player.

Sharks management saw that by signing and dumping Setoguchi and keeping Clowe


If you don't see that Clowe was a better player in 2010-11 and that Setoguchi was along for a ride as the 6th or 7th best forward (spare part) on a very talented Shark team then I can see how what I say would not make a significant impression in your world perspective.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Point Blank

The thing about Ricardo that fascinates me the most is how he seems to post nonsense after nonsense, and every single time a ton of posters jump on him but he's completely unfazed by it as if he's unable to detect the negative reinforcement.

Mix Ricardo with some of our overly sensitive posters (you know who you are) and you'll probably get a more average CP poster.

This is a fairly similar situation with Daryl Sutter dealing with the Hockey Press.

Sutter should have listened to Dowbiggin and the peanut gallery and adjusted his coaching/Life philosophy and not bothered getting 2 SC rings and a fast track to the HHOF.

I understand that I am not Daryl Sutter but if any of my critics are making a living for hockey analysis I would be shocked.

I doubt that Coach Sutter cried himself to sleep after the Press questioned his approach and neither do I.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I sort of understand that.

Some folks have trouble dealing with facts.


The last year that Seteguchi and Clowe played together was 2010-11

Ryane Clowe, LW gp 75 goals 24 asst 38 pts 62 +13 PIM 100 TOI 17:58

Devin Setoguchi, RW 72 22 19 41 -2 37 15:12


Setoguchi played very well in the playoffs:

Devin Setoguchi, RW 18 7 3 10 -7 12 17:26

but Clowe was no slouch

Ryane Clowe, LW 17 6 9 15 5 32 19:27

In fact most fans, coaches, analysts, casual hockey observers would say that Clowe was clearly the better more important player.

Sharks management saw that by signing and dumping Setoguchi and keeping Clowe


If you don't see that Clowe was a better player in 2010-11 and that Setoguchi was along for a ride as the 6th or 7th best forward (spare part) on a very talented Shark team then I can see how what I say would not make a significant impression in your world perspective.

The reason posters here don't take you seriously is because you often seem unable to see beyond the fact that correlation does not imply causation. You take a snapshot of whatever points illustrate your case the best, while ignoring all the other evidence that contradict your points. You take views and defend them even when posters with differing views present more evidence to the contrary, and often simply ignore it.

Your 'facts' are often unrelated observations that you twist into facts, and that is why it may appear that so many posters here have a 'trouble dealing with facts'.

I was a Setoguchi fan for about one season, but even I think you are making him out to be WAY worse than he is, and are criminally underrating how good he used to be.

Also, being the 6th (in your own words - 6th or 7th) best player on a team is not a spare part - that is a top 6 player, on a top team. Your whole case against Setoguchi stops making any sense as soon as you typed that out.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

This is a fairly similar situation with Daryl Sutter dealing with the Hockey Press.

Sutter should have listened to Dowbiggin and the peanut gallery and adjusted his coaching/Life philosophy and not bothered getting 2 SC rings and a fast track to the HHOF.

I understand that I am not Daryl Sutter but if any of my critics are making a living for hockey analysis I would be shocked.

I doubt that Coach Sutter cried himself to sleep after the Press questioned his approach and neither do I.

So, are you, in fact, claiming that you make your living via hockey analysis? It seems that by your tone and the way you are talking down to everyone else, plus this last statement, you are implying that you know more than everyone because you are a professional and we are all amateurs. Is that correct? Because if that's the case I want you to PM me your CV so I can fact check. I need you to back up your claims, intended or otherwise.