[Rumour] Tallon Actively Shopping 1st Overall Pick in 2014 Draft

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by saillias

Voynov and Josi easily

I see Brodie having a better career than Voynov when it's all said and done. Don't know enough about Josi, though I'm sure he's very good too.

I'm being a homer about this, but I've thought for the last 2 years that Brodie is going to be a #1. Unlike most young defenders who break into the league by virtue of their offense, Brodie's been getting progressively better in his own zone, and now his offense is starting to take shape.

He's as good a skater as you'd find in this league, he makes excellent stretch passes, and defensively he is a legitimate first-pairing guy in this league at the age of 23, and coming off his first full NHL season.

There's lots of things I remain skeptical about with this team, clear areas of deficiency etc but among our young players, three things I'm convinced of:

Brodie is a future #1/
Monahan will, at some point, be a 50 goal scorer.
Johnny Gaudreau is going to be as big a star as this city has every seen.

I also remain pretty sold on Jankowski being a good NHL player. Maybe I'm hopelessly optimistic, but I don't recall feeling this good about any Flames prospects in the past decade - leads me to believe there's something here.

[nik-]

You realize how rare 50 goal scorers are now right?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by nik-

You realize how rare 50 goal scorers are now right?

I sure do.

And don't think I'm going to be upset if Monahan doesn't ever hit that. He might not, but go watch the vid AC put together of his entire year. His nose for the net, his release, the way he thinks the game, are all ridiculously good for a 19 year old. He, like Brodie, is consistently improving before our eyes.

Until Monahan gets to be 33, 34 years old without having ever scored 50, I'm going to continue to believe he has it in him to get there.

[Hackey]

I feel like I'm listening to a super religious person.

[Poe969]

I can tell that all if iur prospects are going to be amazing and we will win the cup every year and break every record there ever was. That's why we shouldnt trade anyone…

[SeanCharles]

I wont give any absolute declarations but I will agree that I am pretty high on Brodie, Gaudreau and Monahan as well..

If Sven wasnt injured constantly I would have him in here too.

Hounourable mentions to Granlund, Gillies, Orito and Poirier!


.. and to be fair we don't have any d prospects in the same realm of talent as Brodie so talk of trading him is just pointless, even if it is for 1st overall its not overly likely

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by RyZ

Id trade Brodie for most of those guys, but not all. Brodie probably isnt on the upper half of that list. Thats actually a pretty impressive group of Dmen from a single draft.

Sorry, but that is asinine. Brodie is easily better than:

Justin Schultz
Patrick Wiercioch
John Carlson
Jake Gardiner
Jason Demers
Jared Spurgeon

IMO, he is also clearly better than Del Zotto, Bogosian, Myers and Josi, but I readily admit those are debatable.

You can definitely say that Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Doughty, and probably Voynov are ahead of him, though he is gaining on Voynov ,IMO.

4 ahead
4 similar (I would put Brodie ahead of all of them)
6 clearly worse

Also, Brodie is trending up, gaining on the better ones and passing the weaker ones.

The crap Brodie takes on this site absolutely amazes me. I guess there is a lot of the "Flames=crap, other teams' players are better" attitude around here.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I feel like I'm listening to a super religious person.

Imagine how smug I'll be when it all turns out to be true.

[Trailer Fire]

Quick! Roll your eyes and walk away, everyone. Someone has a belief or opinion and I don't agree with it!

But in all seriousness, I believe Monahan has the potential to pot 50. I hope he turns into more of a playmaking 2-way forward with a nose for the net, but I won't cry if he is a goal scoring center instead. I'd love him either way.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Gaudreau is gonna be a very special hockey player. i'd be STUNNED if monahan ever hits 50. its incredibly difficult these days.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Sorry, but that is asinine. Brodie is easily better than:

Justin Schultz
Patrick Wiercioch
John Carlson
Jake Gardiner
Jason Demers
Jared Spurgeon

IMO, he is also clearly better than Del Zotto, Bogosian, Myers and Josi, but I readily admit those are debatable.

You can definitely say that Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Doughty, and probably Voynov are ahead of him, though he is gaining on Voynov ,IMO.

4 ahead
4 similar (I would put Brodie ahead of all of them)
6 clearly worse

Also, Brodie is trending up, gaining on the better ones and passing the weaker ones.

The crap Brodie takes on this site absolutely amazes me. I guess there is a lot of the "Flames=crap, other teams' players are better" attitude around here.

I am not giving Brodie crap..... for a 4th round pick he is doing extremely well.

Carlson is the #1 D man on Washington

Spurgeon is #2 in ice time on a playoff team.

There would not be an instant victory claimed by Wash or Min if they were to get Brodie in a one-for-one swap.


So using your rating system: 4 clearly ahead - 6 arguably even and 4 guys out scoring him but not as good.

The other d-men from that draft include Luke Schenn and Travis Hamonic who could be put into the as good as Brodie category.

4 ahead 8 even

Would you trade him for Ekblad?

In 5 years there is a great chance that the first d-man picked in 2014 will turn out significantly better than the #10 best guy out of 2008.

Also I don't know exactly how to put this but Brodie moving to top pairing, along with a career year from Gio, a great year from Russell still were anchoring a team to a 26th place finish. Might we have him overated a tad.

Will Brodie be better on a consistent basis than Gio was last year? If the Flames are going to be a playoff team with a chance to win a round they need a stud d-man...is it Brodie?

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I am not giving Brodie crap..... for a 4th round pick he is doing extremely well.

Carlson is the #1 D man on Washington

Spurgeon is #2 in ice time on a playoff team.

There would not be an instant victory claimed by Wash or Min if they were to get Brodie in a one-for-one swap.


So using your rating system: 4 clearly ahead - 6 arguably even and 4 guys out scoring him but not as good.

The other d-men from that draft include Luke Schenn and Travis Hamonic who could be put into the as good as Brodie category.

4 ahead 8 even

Would you trade him for Ekblad?

In 5 years there is a great chance that the first d-man picked in 2014 will turn out significantly better than the #10 best guy out of 2008.

Also I don't know exactly how to put this but Brodie moving to top pairing, along with a career year from Gio, a great year from Russell still were anchoring a team to a 26th place finish. Might we have him overated a tad.

Will Brodie be better on a consistent basis than Gio was last year? If the Flames are going to be a playoff team with a chance to win a round they need a stud d-man...is it Brodie?

Call me crazy but I wouldn't trade Brodie for this year's first overall (Ekblad).

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

Call me crazy but I wouldn't trade Brodie for this year's first overall (Ekblad).

I like Brodie, but straight across I'd do that deal. I wouldn't add anything. Maybe swapping mid round picks, but that's it. And that wouldn't get a deal done.

[calgarywinning]

No Deal. Ekblad will be good. Brodie has the chance to be great.

[formulate]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Also I don't know exactly how to put this but Brodie moving to top pairing, along with a career year from Gio, a great year from Russell still were anchoring a team to a 26th place finish. Might we have him overated a tad.

Gio and Brodie (and to slightly lesser extent Backlund and Cammalleri) were the reason this team wasn't 29th in the standings. On the ice together the Flames scored 55% of the goals and had 56% of the shot attempts at even strength. To put that in some context, they drove the play together better than mega-pairings Pietrangelo-Bouwmeester, Suter-Brodin, Chara-Hamilton, and Weber-Josi. Together (at least this past year), they were in the upper echelon of top-pairings across the league.

As for Russell, I actually showed about halfway through the season that he was having a very good year; playing at the level of a legitimate 4th defender. He ended up having a pretty poor second half, probably because he and Butler shouldn't really be playing 2nd pair minutes, at least not together. Of the Flames' defenseman, I'd say Gio and Brodie can be a top pair on a playoff team, and Russell and Wideman can be a bottom pair/2nd PP unit. The Flames need at least 2 second-pairing guys, or ideally one and a guy to push Brodie (or a slightly older Gio) for top minutes.

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

No Deal. Ekblad will be good. Brodie has the chance to be great.

Ekblad has no chance of being great?

[Hackey]

I love Brodie and think he has turned into quite the player and I'm excited to see how he progresses but if you had the chance to get Ekblad for him I'm pretty sure most GMs in the league would be all over it.

[Poe969]

Ya, I'm sure if tallon offered the #1 pick for Brodie, we would make that deal in a heartbeat. I like Brodie but I don see franchise defenseman, #1 defenseman or greatness in him. I think the "he plays for the flames so he's going to be awesome" mentality is at work here for some.

Every fan base overrates their players and prospects. If you were to poll GMs around the league on who they would take between Brodie and either Ekblad or some of the other guys mentioned in this thread I think some might have their hearts broken.

[irrevocable]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Ya, I'm sure if tallon offered the #1 pick for Brodie, we would make that deal in a heartbeat. I like Brodie but I don see franchise defenseman, #1 defenseman or greatness in him. I think the "he plays for the flames so he's going to be awesome" mentality is at work here for some.

Every fan base overrates their players and prospects. If you were to poll GMs around the league on who they would take between Brodie and either Ekblad or some of the other guys mentioned in this thread I think some might have their hearts broken.

It's pretty showing that you had to even write this post. The Brodacious crew wants us to believe Brodie is an absolute superstar.

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by irrevocable

It's pretty showing that you had to even write this post. The Brodacious crew wants us to believe Brodie is an absolute superstar.

Oh give me a break. There's drama queens on both sides of the argument, most of us know Brodie is a young top four D-man who's improving every year. Yes you trade him for Ekblad, but that doesn't mean he isn't one hell of a defenseman. The stupid nicknames some of you give posters who you disagree with is painfull to read.

[theoforever]

At this moment Brodie is better than Ekblad.
If Ekblad develops in 2 years he should be at Brodie's level and in 3-4 he could be better. There is no guarantee Ekblad becomes better than Brodie, he could but is he going to, nobody knows.