Stabbing in Brentwood-5 Dead, 1 Arrested

[Kelekin]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Yes they are. My family were victims of a crime with a far better outcome about 13 years ago but the nature of the crime was such that it was big news. A reporter came to the door and asked for comment and I told her I had none. Then she tried to bait me by telling me "What the neighbors are saying about you."

I wanted to punch her.

Man, sorry to hear that. The one reporter who woke me up by phone called back because the piece she is working on has a deadline in 2 hours (deadline, interesting word under the circumstance). I did tell her that I'd like to know how they got my phone number, because my facebook settings have been confirmed to the point where I have no visible information to anyone who isn't a direct friend. Claims she'll ask.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Delgar

I'll wait to hear what the motive/trigger for these killings was, but yes, its one of those things where I wonder how it could be just that this 22 year old could go to prison for a maximum of 25 years and be released at age 47 and then still live a somewhat fulfilling life. Add in parole and.... it just doesn't seem right.

The minimum sentence for Murder 1 is life with no parole for 25 years. The courts can go higher on the no parole part. The guy who murdered his co-workers in the G4S shooting in Edmonton was sentenced to life with no parole for 40 years. That happens to be the harshest sentence handed out for Murder in Canada since the death penalty was abolished.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

Really? Did you even read the article or just google some key word?
1% raise an insanity defence and even less are successful- thus, yes, it is VERY uncommon.

People who are diagnosed with a mental illness like schizophrenia are, get this, schizophrenic.

Faking mental illness to get commited so you can, in the future, kill someone is a pretty ridiculous thought and not related to the article you linked.



Anyway, sad day... It affects so many... so senseless.

Sorry, I meant to use the phrase "not unheard of," instead of "uncommon." The impact of mental illness on violent crime is well-documented, but from what i have read, it still appears to only be primarily responsible for a minority of violent crime. If I had elaborated, which I should have, I would have said that the overly sentimental view of mental health, as portrayed by virtually everyone on this forum, tends to limit, not enhance our understanding of the motive of crime.

[Acey]

Unfortunately this isn't the US where they can just pile on the years at their discretion, for each count.

...a child rapist convicted in 1994 of six felony counts including three counts of lewd acts with a minor, two counts of forcible oral sodomy and one count of first degree rape by instrumentation. The Oklahoma jury sentenced Robinson to -- get this -- 5,000 years for each count.

[MolsonInBothHands]

Originally Posted by scottish_flame

I find it weird too. I just watched the news and it said victims had multiple stab wounds I'd think it would be hard to stab 5 people multiple times unless he got them all alone.

Don't know what goes through people's heads

Thoughts are with the families of the victims

Hide out in the bathroom and wait for your prey? Brutal, tragic and senseless. I have a daughter attending a different university. I can't imagine the panic my wife and I would have trying to find out about her safety, and how we would cope with the worst possible outcome.

[Russic]

I recently went on a stag with a buddy and his coworkers who were all firemen or paramedics. Some of their stories were just devastating to listen to, and a few had very clear (and diagnosed) PTSD. I truly hope all the first responders associated with this can get all the help they need.

Originally Posted by flameswin

Really? People dying at BSD would be news to me. Any links or info? Curious, as I've never heard of anything.

I recall somebody being struck by a car, but it could have been as much as 15 years ago. It was around the time I was in high school and it made me think that BSD was something that was out of control.

[fundmark19]

Originally Posted by Russic

I recently went on a stag with a buddy and his coworkers who were all firemen or paramedics. Some of their stories were just devastating to listen to, and a few had very clear (and diagnosed) PTSD. I truly hope all the first responders associated with this can get all the help they need.
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My Father was a first responder for the fire department for most of his career and we think a lot of the mental disease he has been battling with for the last 3 years came from the build up overtime of the PTS of doing the job even though he was never diagnosed with having anything over his career. It definitely takes a toll on your body and mind.

[Senator Clay Davis]

He's been transferred to a psychiatric facility. Looks like the insanity defense or mental illness will be the play

The suspect accused of fatally stabbing five people at a northwest Calgary house party has been moved to a secure psychiatric facility pending a court appearance next week.

Matthew de Grood, who is charged with five counts of first-degree murder is now in custody at the Southern Alberta Forensic Psychiatry Centre, which assesses suspects’ fitness to stand trial and mental capacity.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ca...034/story.html

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

He's been transferred to a psychiatric facility. Looks like the insanity defense or mental illness will be the play



http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ca...034/story.html

That seems like pretty standard procedure, does it not?

[ben voyonsdonc]

A nice article about Lawrence. http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ca...187/story.html

[Muta]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

A nice article about Lawrence. http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ca...187/story.html

From that article:

"And he was well-known in Calgary’s queer community"

I don't know that much about proper terminology regarding the gay and lesbian community, but is this world still used? Is this appropriate?

[ben voyonsdonc]

It has become much more frequently used within the LGBTQ community. It essentially means anyone who doesn't fit within the heterosexual norm. It is considered to be a little more inclusive.

[Kelekin]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

A nice article about Lawrence. http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ca...187/story.html

That was one of the best things about him was that he never hid who he was, any part of what/who he was, his entire life.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by fotze

I haven't seen any stories about the girl who died? Would that just be because media hasn't gotten through to an acquaintance yet?

http://www.calgaryherald.com/Kaitlin...772/story.html

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Yamer

That seems like pretty standard procedure, does it not?

Most likely he is getting a psychiatric evaluation to see if he is fit to stand trial.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by Muta

From that article:

"And he was well-known in Calgary’s queer community"

I don't know that much about proper terminology regarding the gay and lesbian community, but is this world still used? Is this appropriate?

not the norm, but yeah it's still used and not usually found to be inappropriate.

[Yasa]

Originally Posted by an hero

I agree, hope the first responders are getting good treatment too.

AHS EMS has access to Critical Incident Stress Management system which is run by volunteers with EMS background. It's a really good tool, and a lot of people use it. So there is help for them if they need it and choose to ask. I can't speak for Fire or Police though. Terrible situation, and I feel for all affected.

[Dion]

Killers who use knives more ‘spontaneous, impulsive, enraged,’ expert says

“It’s much more difficult to take the lives of a large number of people with a knife,” said Levine, “and not just for the obvious technical reasons.

“Stabbing is up close and personal. It’s intimate. There may even be an evolutionary prohibition against plunging a knife into someone’s body. By contrast, there is no such prohibition against pulling a trigger. So shooting a large number of people, aside from the mechanical reasons, is psychologically easier than using some other intimate method.”

“It seems to me that the big difference between someone who commits mass murder or kills five people all at once with a gun versus a knife, is that the person who stabs to death is, I guess, to use the vernacular, not in his right mind, meaning he’s been drinking heavily, he is drugged or he suffers from a profound mental illness,” said Levine.

“In the extreme, he may even think he is killing gophers or preventing earthquakes. Hallucinations may even be possible in someone using a knife to attack numerous people.”

“Someone who shoots five people to death, you just don’t typically see the same kind of psychopathology,” explained Levine.

“I’m not saying that (people who shoot numerous people) are normal people, they may suffer from depression, like millions of others. They may have suffered some catastrophic loss in proximity to their rampage. For example, they might have been humiliated by their classmates and lost face, they may have been fired by the boss, or suffered some terrible separation or divorce — there’s almost always a catastrophic loss — and I would look for some catastrophic loss in this house party killer, too,” said Levine.

“The person who kills large numbers with a knife tends to be more spontaneous, impulsive and enraged.”

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/cr...117/story.html

[Art Vandelay]

I hate that in Canada it's (usually) 25 years for one murder but still only 25 years if you kill more than one.

A minimum of 25 years per life seems about right. He can apply for parole in 2139 at the age of 147 if he lives that long.

[19Yzerman19]

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

I hate that in Canada it's (usually) 25 years for one murder but still only 25 years if you kill more than one.

What? In Canada a life sentence means you die in prison, unless you're paroled. EDIT: Okay, I see you got that but you're saying people usually get paroled after 25 years (which is the minimum parole eligibility).

I guess the point is that here we don't need successive life sentences, to address how long a person's in prison for you just need to figure out their parole eligibility date which is flexible so long as it's no less than 25 years (for first degree murder).