[Signing] Stajan signs 4yrs $3.125Mil AAV contract extension (limited NTC) - Page 25 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

FlamesAllTheWay · 01-20-2014, 08:20 PM

Jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none player who can play anywhere and in any role on the team depending how our younger players are doing. And strikes me as someone who is totally okay doing so.

Definitely okay with it, even the term (extra year..) doesn't bother me.

Righteous1 · 01-20-2014, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

i was in another room, but i thought i heard one of the talking heads on tv say that burke is trying to re-sign cammi?

e5

strombad · 01-20-2014, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

I've listed close to a dozen guys who the Flames could potentially add if they "overpay"

But why are we overpaying marginal upgrades on Stajan that are essentially just question marks, when we could keep Stajan at 3.1 who we KNOW fits in, plays well in a 3rd line role, and won't take away unnecessary cap space?

We've got lots of space, let's use it on players that might matter, not to pay 3rd line guys 5 million.

Surely you see how silly that is.

Frank MetaMusil · 01-20-2014, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DOOM

I do want to climb the standings and will always cheer for the Flames to win. I just think there is such a small chance the next two years that the Flames will have a chance at the playoffs (no matter who they sign) that there is no point in signing guys that like Stastny/Roy to two year deals.

Extremely defeatist attitude, but if you want high picks I can't fault the line of thinking.

Stajan's dollar value and term are fine. Let me be clear here. The player has worn out his welcome. He's not going to help the team going forward. It's awesome that he and his wife are great in the community and he wants to be here. Who wouldn't? He's getting paid almost 200k/point.

I feel like I'm arguing the same points I did with Jokinen. Teams should try to acquire winners. Stajan just isn't a winner.

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Originally Posted by strombad

But why are we overpaying marginal upgrades on Stajan that are essentially just question marks, when we could keep Stajan at 3.1 who we KNOW fits in, plays well in a 3rd line role, and won't take away unnecessary cap space?

We've got lots of space, let's use it on players that might matter, not to pay 3rd line guys 5 million.

Surely you see how silly that is.

With this attidude you'd never have considered a guy like Hudler.

DOOM · 01-20-2014, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Extremely defeatist attitude, but if you want high picks I can't fault the line of thinking.

Stajan's dollar value and term are fine. Let me be clear here. The player has worn out his welcome. He's not going to help the team going forward. It's awesome that he and his wife are great in the community and he wants to be here. Who wouldn't? He's getting paid almost 200k/point.

I feel like I'm arguing the same points I did with Jokinen. Teams should try to acquire winners. Stajan just isn't a winner.

Id like to think im being realistic. Take a look at our team. Does Stastny over Stajan improve us from 28-30th to a playoff position?

Frank MetaMusil · 01-20-2014, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DOOM

Id like to think im being realistic. Take a look at our team. Does Stastny over Stajan improve us from 28-30th to a playoff position?

I can't tell you, but it's worth a shot. We disagree. I'm cool with that.

Ring of Fire · 01-20-2014, 08:34 PM

Market value for a 30-40 pt centre in his prime. Certainly not an overpayment if you look around the league. As long as a NTC/NMC hasn't been included I can live with this. Good character guy and great in the community. It won't hurt to have him around our young players.

DOOM · 01-20-2014, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

I can't tell you, but it's worth a shot. We disagree. I'm cool with that.

Fair enough. Personally, I am just tired of the team trying to just make the playoffs. If we are still struggling to improve in year 4 of the rebuild, that's when id start to worry about becoming the Oilers.

SuperMatt18 · 01-20-2014, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

I find it funny that people ran Tanguay out of town for "pouting", yet Stajan was terrible and pouting for all 3 years under Brent.

Stajan was terrible under Brent but from all accounts he didn't once pout, and that is the same story you'll get from all media members close to the team.

He played on the fourth line, paid his dues, and waited for an opportunity to work his way back up the lineup. Even during that time the locker room always stood up for him and media talked about howi much the guys in the room liked him. Not what you usually associate with a guy who is pouting.

I'll take a lot of reasons to dislike the signing, and agree with many of the other reasons you posted, but Stajan being a pouter is not one of them.

Yoho · 01-20-2014, 08:38 PM

This will help us get to the cap floor

OzSome · 01-20-2014, 08:38 PM

I am not sure what to think. I just don't understand how Stajan deserves a 4-years extension with over $3M to boot. He's consistently brutal in the 2nd half of the season. I guess that's how a player do, play like crap and you'll get an extensions.
I hope Stajan realize that he should start playing well again to show he deserve this extension.

Frank MetaMusil · 01-20-2014, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DOOM

Fair enough. Personally, I am just tired of the team trying to just make the playoffs. If we are still struggling to improve in year 4 of the rebuild, that's when id start to worry about becoming the Oilers.

Every team is trying to make the playoffs. You don't think Edmonton is sick of sucking balls? I'd rather the Flames find vital pieces sooner than later. Hudler is one of those pieces you need on your team. He's damn good and was a UFA. My entire point is that the UFA market can speed your rebuild up if you get the right guy, who has chemistry.

Sometimes, teams can't afford to keep pieces of their team that are really good. That's when you pounce. Just like Smid. I agree with you there. That trade stopped Calgary from being worse than Edmonton.

Erick Estrada · 01-20-2014, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

I feel like I'm arguing the same points I did with Jokinen. Teams should try to acquire winners. Stajan just isn't a winner.

Well the problem is that winners don't want to play on a loser team so good luck getting a really quality player that is accustomed to playing on contending teams to sign as UFA or waive his NTC to come to Calgary.

Besides acquiring winners is what contending teams do to get over the hump and they are a little overrated when you are referring to a bad team like the Flames that just don't have enough talent. Andrew Ference is what I would call a winner but it hasn't helped the Oilers. The Flames need to acquire good players and the Flames are essentially building from scratch and there's just not enough of a foundation right now. Going to take time and Matt Stajan is more of a bridge type player that can play quality minutes while the team rebuilds.

FlamesAllTheWay · 01-20-2014, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

I was in another room, but i thought i heard one of the talking heads on TV say that Burke is trying to re-sign Cammi?

Yes the Sportsnet analysts were discussing that. Re-signing for less than he makes now but more than Stajan (bold analysis...) and if talks breakdown then exploring trade options.

Personally I'd be very surprised if he comes back. Most tradeable asset at the moment, I'm sure a playoff team will overpay come deadline day.

Enoch Root · 01-20-2014, 08:50 PM

Why do people think that signing Stajan means we won't sign any UFAs? They are not mutually exclusive.

Frank MetaMusil · 01-20-2014, 08:52 PM

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Why do people think that signing Stajan means we won't sign any UFAs? They are not mutually exclusive.

It doesn't, it just eats into the offers.

Enoch Root · 01-20-2014, 08:55 PM

Cap when Stajan's last contract started ($3.5m cap hit) in 2010/11: $59.4m

Cap next season ($3.125m cap hit): $71.1m

Enoch Root · 01-20-2014, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

It doesn't, it just eats into the offers.

No it doesn't - they have almost no chance of spending close to the cap next year

Enoch Root · 01-20-2014, 08:56 PM

Like many others, not thrilled about the term.

But given that the amount is reasonable, and no NTC, it's fine.

FlamesAllTheWay · 01-20-2014, 08:57 PM

How many UFA's are really going to seriously consider signing here, considering where the team is at? You have to think that's going to turn some of them away.

Probably why a guy like Stajan is brought back. Familiar with the state of the team but obviously wanted to come back despite that. Might be why other guys like Cammalleri get a serious look as well.