Justin Trudeau says marijuana should be legalized

[2Stonedbirds]

V, years ago I visited a seed store in downtown Vancouver.

Seeds came from many different strains. You got a vile that had 11 seeds in it, the seller guaranteed that 10 would be female.

One vile of white widow was $40. It came with all sorts of recommendations based on its performance in cannibis cup, an annual weed fair in the Netherlands.

One vile of white rhino was also $40. Had slightly different characteristics and a different description. You shopped from a big binder that showed what mature plants looked like, expected yield, types of high, ect.

One vile of Jack Herer, the winner from that years cannibis cup, was $450.

So prices really varied depending on strain.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

V, years ago I visited a seed store in downtown Vancouver.

Seeds came from many different strains. You got a vile that had 11 seeds in it, the seller guaranteed that 10 would be female.

One vile of white widow was $40. It came with all sorts of recommendations based on its performance in cannibis cup, an annual weed fair in the Netherlands.

One vile of white rhino was also $40. Had slightly different characteristics and a different description. You shopped from a big binder that showed what mature plants looked like, expected yield, types of high, ect.

One vile of Jack Herer, the winner from that years cannibis cup, was $450.

So prices really varied depending on strain.

Wow, that's interesting.

I've been in there to check it out but never really thought to ask about different prices.

$450 for a vile of seeds. What a time to be alive.

[2Stonedbirds]

This was many years ago. I was in Vancouver when the columbia shuttle exploded, remember watching the news in a coffee shop, so February 2003.

The shop was very... I don't know. Had a different vibe. Little upstairs store in the downtown, everything was painted black, no signage, no posters/art ect on the walls. Nothing but a big desk at the end of the room with an even bigger guy minding it. He produced a binder that showed the different types.

[Drak]

I went into a local shop called Jupiter in the summer to inquire about seeds. The prices were way too high. I think they had a monopoly on it at the time since the other place nearby was closed. I think they wanted 70 bucks for 3 seeds.

[Coach]

This thread is turning into Do-It-Yourself-GrowOp.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by V

That sounds remarkably similar to growing tomato plants. I built a little bit of a grow up for her in our laundry room, which has windows all around the two exterior walls. Nothing fancy, just some specialty lighting, and some nice shelving, a little bit of humidity control. It works wonders for the tomato plants, and it sounds like it would be killer for pot too.

Somehow I don't see her growing it, though, she doesn't like to ever see me drunk, I can't imagine she'll be okay with ever seeing me high.

All of this pot talk, though, and I have so many questions. I've never done it, and never thought I would, because it's illegal, but if it wasn't, there's a good chance I'd want to experience it. Especially if it'll help me write more and better music.

We'll have to see.

You never know. Being drunk and stoned are 2 different beasts. Gf hates drinking but does not have a problem with pot use. Your in 2 different mind sets. Just one example is Ive never seen anyone go out of there way to be violent when they were stoned unless that person already has tendencies to be violent ( I'm looking at you wannabe gangsters). I'm just saying if you don't see bouncers at Amsterdam style cafes.

[Azure]

I don't think people realize how big of a deal this could be.

I'm pretty excited about the new government simply for this reason. I was a Liberal supporter solely because of this.

In 1925, H. L. Mencken wrote an impassioned plea: "Prohibition has not only failed in its promises but actually created additional serious and disturbing social problems throughout society. There is not less drunkenness in the Republic but more. There is not less crime, but more. ... The cost of government is not smaller, but vastly greater. Respect for law has not increased, but diminished."

The US has spent close to a trillion dollars on the war on drugs. Canada has spent millions and perhaps billions on the same thing. And for what? Why can't people admit that it isn't working?

If half of the marihuana in circulation were consumed by Canadians (400 tonnes), and if taxes consumed the profits, that would yield an astonishing $2.12 billion in revenue every year, if we go by a value of $10 per gram. I would imagine the cost would be closer to $15 per gram like Flash posted earlier in regards to what happened in Washington State.

Breakdown of the financial impact from this article.

http://www.c2cjournal.ca/2009/07/the...t-prohibition/

Maintaining prohibition of marihuana costs the Canadian government $1.33 to $3.06 billion in lost taxable revenue (or, $2.195 billion +/- $865 million), and approximately $400 million in law enforcement costs. Meanwhile, the social costs of marihuana are minimal, estimated at between $430.7 to $517.2 million per year. Considering only domestic costs and benefits, the decision to continue to keep marihuana illegal is, from an economic point of view, profoundly irrational.

On top of that around 40,000 people per year were charged with some kind of marijuana related crime. This costs even more money in terms of cost to process these people through the courts, jails, etc, etc and then the welfare cost to get them back on their feet after they come out of jail, the cost to their families who are often torn apart, etc, etc. Hard to find actual studies, but I'd imagine over a 20 year period, Canada has stuck billions into maintaining prohibition. Actually SPENT billions. Which is very different from simply not collecting billions in tax revenue. We are actively burning money in a giant pile out back.

So please people, tell me why this shouldn't be legalized.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

You never know. Being drunk and stoned are 2 different beasts. Gf hates drinking but does not have a problem with pot use. Your in 2 different mind sets. Just one example is Ive never seen anyone go out of there way to be violent when they were stoned unless that person already has tendencies to be violent ( I'm looking at you wannabe gangsters). I'm just saying if you don't see bouncers at Amsterdam style cafes.

You don't even see doors on some of those cafes, walk by and get a little light headed. In my life I've not seen a single violent incident by someone on pot, I've seen dozens around bars and campuses where idiots think they're tough. It was hilarious in Amsterdam when some of the people were so high they were laying on the ground with their face on the window completely spaced out.

They aren't even close, pot doesn't take away inhibition or critical thinking like with alcohol and it doesnt make people lose control (for the most part, some people aren't cutout for any drug)

[indes]

Originally Posted by AcGold

They aren't even close, pot doesn't take away inhibition or critical thinking like with alcohol and it doesnt make people lose control (for the most part, some people aren't cutout for any drug)

This is the desired effect of pretty much all drugs. Have you smoked pot before? I agree with everything you said until the bolded.

[AcGold]

Well it was implied to mean to a different extent. Alcohol often causes people to make life altering mistakes, pot doesn't push people to such a mental extreme or distort perception as much. Whether I've done it or not is irrelevant.

[Sainters7]

So it's Friday, is weed legal yet? Asking for a friend


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[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

I don't think many people really know how much this could change the war on drugs on a global scale. Canada could start the end of the war.

Video explains it at the 5.26 mark. Since the site won't allow it to automatically.

I wasn't aware of international treaties that we're a part of to criminalize marijuana. The Liberal push to legalize really couldn't come at a better time then, since the US has no leg to stand on with several states already leading the charge. It would be really nice for Canada to be at the forefront of positive social change again, it's been 9 long years since we've been able to do that

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

So it's Friday, is weed legal yet? Asking for a friend

Yes, it is time to bring all of your marijuana to your local police station for certification and legalization. Best to leave your valuables at home.

[TorqueDog]

My bonding time with my FiL when we go to visit is baking stuff using ganja butter.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I wasn't aware of international treaties that we're a part of to criminalize marijuana. The Liberal push to legalize really couldn't come at a better time then, since the US has no leg to stand on with several states already leading the charge. It would be really nice for Canada to be at the forefront of positive social change again, it's been 9 long years since we've been able to do that

Legalizing it on the federal level would be a pretty big deal for BC considering Washington State has already legalized it and they are right across the border.

The BC pot economy could go crazy overnight. I hope people are prepared.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Yes, it is time to bring all of your marijuana to your local police station for certification and legalization. Best to leave your valuables at home.

Ok! I heard something about a free boat too.

...ow, my boating arm!


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[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Azure

Legalizing it on the federal level would be a pretty big deal for BC considering Washington State has already legalized it and they are right across the border.

The BC pot economy could go crazy overnight. I hope people are prepared.

Would that really matter? Border security and trade is governed at the federal level I thought, so you still couldn't take any weed across the border from BC to Washington

[AcGold]

I wonder if the police are taking it easy and letting people off now, if I was a cop it would seem arduous to do the paper work most of the time pending some extraneous circumstance.

[polak]

Originally Posted by AcGold

I wonder if the police are taking it easy and letting people off now, if I was a cop it would seem arduous to do the paper work most of the time pending some extraneous circumstance.

Couldn't you just draw out the trial until its legal?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by AcGold

I wonder if the police are taking it easy and letting people off now, if I was a cop it would seem arduous to do the paper work most of the time pending some extraneous circumstance.

It's pretty slack as it is. The most I've ever heard of, or have had happened, is stuff gets confiscated or tossed.

One time we had a party with 20+ people. The cops were called and came into the house where we had a couple bongs/pipes and probably a 1/2-1 oz between a few different bags and all they did was take the weed and the paraphernalia. Didn't even really say anything about it.

Also was caught outside of a concert at the dome once. On private property, and they just told me to toss the joint.

Van is a different animal, but on 420 (when literally no one cares) my bro and his girlfriend smoked up right beside a cop on a park bench. She even offered him some and all he said was "no thanks". Nobody cares.