Calgary offers picks 6, 22, 28 for the first overall: no dice

[_Q_]

Has anyone mentioned that if we lost the Detroit and Anaheim games at the end we wouldn't need to trade assets to get into the top 3?.... because it would be pretty genius if it's been mentioned before.

Also, Jimmy Howard played like crap against the Flames and cost us a hight draft pick... I don't think that's been mentioned yet.

[Beatle17]

What if the Flames get Lindholm, Horvat and Rychel with their 3 picks. I understand that MacKinnon is way more talented than any of the players on his own, but does the combination of talents and the overall talent infusion into the Flames change the thinking?

I personally would keep the 3 picks if the team could get 3 players like the ones I mentioned above to add to the base of players that are currently here. I only say this because I think the Flames are a lot more than 1 player away. Would MacKinnon by himself improve the Flames as quickly as the infusion of three top tier talents (they must be top talents to be considered first round picks)?

It's a tough call for the club, MacKinnon could be a great talent like Tavares but one great talent on his own doesn't always guarantee winning.

[Badger Bob]

Maybe some of your are selling Monahan a little short? It was basically him and nobody else for Ottawa in the OHL. Nobody knows how could he could be when finally surrounded by a real supporting cast. Just because he doesn't carry the cachet of "top 5" pick doesn't mean he can't eventually develop into a high end talent.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by Badger Bob

Maybe some of your are selling Monahan a little short? It was basically him and nobody else for Ottawa in the OHL. Nobody knows how could he could be when finally surrounded by a real supporting cast. Just because he doesn't carry the cachet of "top 5" pick doesn't mean he can't eventually develop into a high end talent.

I agree and he could be a more valuable player to the Flames than Lindholm would be. If you substitute him into my scenario above you are getting 3 very good players with size and I think this addresses two issues, centers and larger forwards moving ahead.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

What if the Flames get Lindholm, Horvat and Rychel with their 3 picks. I understand that MacKinnon is way more talented than any of the players on his own, but does the combination of talents and the overall talent infusion into the Flames change the thinking?

I personally would keep the 3 picks if the team could get 3 players like the ones I mentioned above to add to the base of players that are currently here. I only say this because I think the Flames are a lot more than 1 player away. Would MacKinnon by himself improve the Flames as quickly as the infusion of three top tier talents (they must be top talents to be considered first round picks)?

It's a tough call for the club, MacKinnon could be a great talent like Tavares but one great talent on his own doesn't always guarantee winning.

This is the dilemma I'm having as well. Getting MacKinnon would do many things for the franchise, we'd have a superstar 1st line center, we'd have a fantastic center to play with Baertschi, have that game breaking player that teams need. On the other hand if we drafted wisely we could end up with 3 blue chip prospects out of the 1st round which would be huge because we could fill 3 holes rather than 1. Potentially we could draft a #1 center (Monahan/Lindholm), a top 6 RW (Hartman, Zykov), a top 4 dman (Morrissey, etc.) and that would be huge for the Flames. The chances all 3 pan out though are slim and I don't think anyone of them will be a game breaking player like MacKinnon is.

I hope we can make this same offer to Florida, minus the Florida/St.Louis pick and throw a roster player in instead so we can keep a 1st, and still draft MacKinnon, but of course this all depends on Colorado taking Seth Jones and would be done at the draft.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

This is the dilemma I'm having as well. Getting MacKinnon would do many things for the franchise, we'd have a superstar 1st line center, we'd have a fantastic center to play with Baertschi, have that game breaking player that teams need. On the other hand if we drafted wisely we could end up with 3 blue chip prospects out of the 1st round which would be huge because we could fill 3 holes rather than 1. Potentially we could draft a #1 center (Monahan/Lindholm), a top 6 RW (Hartman, Zykov), a top 4 dman (Morrissey, etc.) and that would be huge for the Flames. The chances all 3 pan out though are slim and I don't think anyone of them will be a game breaking player like MacKinnon is.

I hope we can make this same offer to Florida, minus the Florida/St.Louis pick and throw a roster player in instead so we can keep a 1st, and still draft MacKinnon, but of course this all depends on Colorado taking Seth Jones and would be done at the draft.

Thats the thing... drafting wise. I know many will say "our drafting is better lately" (unproven) but look at how many forwards we have drafted successfully in the past 15 years. I flip flop whether I think the three 1st for McKinnon is a good idea, but I'm leaning towards "yes" and go with the sure thing.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I thought I read before that the Panthers were high on McKinnon and were planning on using him with Hubedreau on a potentially lethal line for the future. I don't think they'd take the Flames offer, either.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Regorium

I personally don't think the Preds would do it. There's quite a gap between Barkov and Mohanan/Lindholm.

I don't know about that. Lindholm and Barkov have basically the same NHL-equivalent scoring, and they both play in men's leagues. (Of course, Nic Petan is also up there in NHLE, which is why I hope we snag him with 22 or 28.)

Worst case for me is if Carolina takes Lindholm 5, and the Flames are choosing between Monahan and Nichuchkin. I'm not sold on either.

[Ro]

I hope we keep the picks. We're gonna be pretty lousy the next few years, and a couple top 5 picks in that time period is not out of the question. Take the depth now, star power then.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Ro

I hope we keep the picks. We're gonna be pretty lousy the next few years, and a couple top 5 picks in that time period is not out of the question. Take the depth now, star power then.

Exactly. It is a rebuild that will take a few seasons. Lots of slots to fill.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

What if the Flames get Lindholm, Horvat and Rychel with their 3 picks. I understand that MacKinnon is way more talented than any of the players on his own, but does the combination of talents and the overall talent infusion into the Flames change the thinking?

I personally would keep the 3 picks if the team could get 3 players like the ones I mentioned above to add to the base of players that are currently here. I only say this because I think the Flames are a lot more than 1 player away. Would MacKinnon by himself improve the Flames as quickly as the infusion of three top tier talents (they must be top talents to be considered first round picks)?

It's a tough call for the club, MacKinnon could be a great talent like Tavares but one great talent on his own doesn't always guarantee winning.

Too many IF's. In a world where you have inperfect information, and given the past huge risk with the lower end 1st rounders, I would not blink an eye to deal all 3 firsts for one of the top 4 picks. Franchise players aren't a dime a dozen. By all accounts this is a deep draft, but not necessarily deep to the point of possibly getting a stud that late. Even a great draft in 2003 there were many not so great players that were drafted late. It's always a risk and teams with those high picks know that they have something special - especially in a year like this.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by Ro

I hope we keep the picks. We're gonna be pretty lousy the next few years, and a couple top 5 picks in that time period is not out of the question. Take the depth now, star power then.

Three possibilities (of awesomeness):

1) Trade all our 1sts this year and draft MacKinnon. Next year we suck (pretty much guaranteed), and draft Sam Reinhart/Ekblad. The year after we'll probably still suck and get dat McDavid.

2) Keep our 1sts this year and get Monahan/Lindholm, Morrissey, Hartman, plus all the other goodies. Next year draft Sam Reinhart/Ekblad, then year after we get dat McDavid.

3) Keep our 1sts, repeat option 2, but instead next year we trade our 1st for multiple firsts, plus Gio for a first and go into 2014 draft with 3 1sts again and get more depth, then get dat McDavid in 2015.

Either way, let's suck in 2014-2015 and get dat McDavid.

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

Three possibilities (of awesomeness):

1) Trade all our 1sts this year and draft MacKinnon. Next year we suck (pretty much guaranteed), and draft Sam Reinhart/Ekblad. The year after we'll probably still suck and get dat McDavid.

2) Keep our 1sts this year and get Monahan/Lindholm, Morrissey, Hartman, plus all the other goodies. Next year draft Sam Reinhart/Ekblad, then year after we get dat McDavid.

3) Keep our 1sts, repeat option 2, but instead next year we trade our 1st for multiple firsts, plus Gio for a first and go into 2014 draft with 3 1sts again and get more depth, then get dat McDavid in 2015.

Either way, let's suck in 2014-2015 and get dat McDavid.

Also known as Rock Solid Plan (tm).

Feaster was hired to provide smoke and mirror with his lawyer talk so the fanbase buys into the "win now" mantra while the club drafts high three years in a row.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

Three possibilities (of awesomeness):

1) Trade all our 1sts this year and draft MacKinnon. Next year we suck (pretty much guaranteed), and draft Sam Reinhart/Ekblad. The year after we'll probably still suck and get dat McDavid.

2) Keep our 1sts this year and get Monahan/Lindholm, Morrissey, Hartman, plus all the other goodies. Next year draft Sam Reinhart/Ekblad, then year after we get dat McDavid.

3) Keep our 1sts, repeat option 2, but instead next year we trade our 1st for multiple firsts, plus Gio for a first and go into 2014 draft with 3 1sts again and get more depth, then get dat McDavid in 2015.

Either way, let's suck in 2014-2015 and get dat McDavid.

How about we get really good, really fast....due to really strong drafting and development, stockpile a ton of valuable young assets and because we have so many good young assets, the summer before the 2015 draft we send one of those young, valuable asset to a team that thinks they are better than they really are for their 2015 1st round pick. Inevitably they have a train wreck and we draft McDavid with their 1st round pick.

See: Maple Leafs, Toronto and Seguin, Tyler

[bucksmasher]

I rather see them trade the 22 and 28 for a top 10-ish pick

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

Three possibilities (of awesomeness):

1) Trade all our 1sts this year and draft MacKinnon. Next year we suck (pretty much guaranteed), and draft Sam Reinhart/Ekblad. The year after we'll probably still suck and get dat McDavid.

2) Keep our 1sts this year and get Monahan/Lindholm, Morrissey, Hartman, plus all the other goodies. Next year draft Sam Reinhart/Ekblad, then year after we get dat McDavid.

3) Keep our 1sts, repeat option 2, but instead next year we trade our 1st for multiple firsts, plus Gio for a first and go into 2014 draft with 3 1sts again and get more depth, then get dat McDavid in 2015.

Either way, let's suck in 2014-2015 and get dat McDavid.

We'd probably lose the McDavid lottery to the Hurricanes.

[Roof-Daddy]

People need to remember, that finishing dead last in the 2014/15 season will only get us a 25% chance at drafting first overall and landing McDavid.

[Ashasx]

The goal of the draft is to create a better hockey team, not stockpile prospects. You create a better hockey team with MacKinnon.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

People need to remember, that finishing dead last in the 2014/15 season will only get us a 25% chance at drafting first overall and landing McDavid.

Oilers!

I want to get as many high 2015 1sts as possible, but other teams are probably too smart for that.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The goal of the draft is to create a better hockey team, not stockpile prospects. You create a better hockey team with MacKinnon.

When you have as many holes as Calgary....Fill up the abyss with as many quality prospects as you can over the next 3 or 4 years.