Dreger: Kiprusoff to not move, retire at end of the season

[wretched34]

For those of you saying, "I don't mind this, the return wouldn't have been all that great anyway" you obviously don't understand what is happening in Calgary right now.
The team is rebuilding... getting value for any asset not included in the rebuild is the goal. Kipper just stripped this organization of that by threatening to retire immediatley if he is traded.
If that's the game he wants to play, then he should retire immediatley no matter what.
I say he is made to announce it tonight, be given the start at home in the BOA, then get him off the books, bring up Taylor, let him play the majority of the remaining games, to see if he's worth resigning.... what's the worst that can happen? we draft higher.....

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by BurningSteel

His decision to stay in Calgary is medically related.

I think this needs to be repeated because I don't think people know.

[Bertuzzied]

Kipper is the most important player in franchise history!!

If we didn't have Kipper, the Flames wouldn't be in Calgary right now.

[JazzyFlame]

What medical reason does kipper have to stay in Calgary?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I think this needs to be repeated because I don't think people know.

Actually, nobody knows if that's the case or not.

[RT14]

Originally Posted by photon

We can't agree to disagree because I'm not making an assumption about an event and drawing a conclusion on it. I don't have a chosen position because I don't have the required information, so I can't disagree with your conclusion.



A bunch of guys on twitter circulating the same thing around in a big circle does not mean it's true. Maybe they all have the same source who is wrong. Maybe they just re-report what they've read from the other guys in the circle. We've seen that lots in the recent past where the "experts" have been wrong in the end.

Yup, that's certainly a possibility. I could be basing all my opinions on false information, in which case I'm dead wrong. So what?

You're basing all your opinions on the assumption that all this information coming from people who are much better connected than any of us is false. Is that any different?

[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by Wronskian

Wes Gilbertson ‏@SUNGilbertson 2h
According to Sportsnet and TSN, G Miikka Kiprusoff has told #Flames he won't move. Basically, a self-made no-trade clause.

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 2h
Leafs spoke with Kiprusoff yesterday, had constant contact with agent and Feaster. Ultimately, Kipper's decision to stay put was made today.

Roger Millions ‏@RogMillions 2h
Its my understanding Miikka Kiprusoff will not accept a deal anywhere. He just does not want to move. #TRADETRACKER

Bruce Garrioch ‏@SunGarrioch 3h
No suprise Miikka Kiprusoff staying in Calgary, @RealKyper said that last week. #TRADETRACKER
If Kipper would have been open to a trade it would have happened.

And this is the gospel according to a bunch of talking heads?? No word from the club or Kipper but these guys are proof?? come on man

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Right...and that contract included a constraint that allows him to retire at any time he feels like it.

This is true. But if that is the expectation you have, that you will just decide to retire at the drop of a hat, then why sign a long term deal? If you sign a long term deal, honor the full term of that deal. Otherwise, sign a one year deal and play every year to earn the next year's contract. If at some point, you decide you would lie to retire, walk away with nothing left on the table, either way. That to me is the honorable thing to do. To me, if you sign a deal you live with all terms of that deal, not just the ones you particularly like.

[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by RT14

Yup, that's certainly a possibility. I could be basing all my opinions on false information, in which case I'm dead wrong. So what?

You're basing all your opinions on the assumption that all this information coming from people who are much better connected than any of us is false. Is that any different?

It is different because you're jumping to conclusions that everything is fact instead of waiting to find out the truth first.

[photon]

Originally Posted by RT14

Yup, that's certainly a possibility. I could be basing all my opinions on false information, in which case I'm dead wrong. So what?

You're basing all your opinions on the assumption that all this information coming from people who are much better connected than any of us is false. Is that any different?

It's different because I am withholding having an opinion until there's enough information to warrant having one.

There's enough reported about it that I can at least consider that's what Kipper said, but not enough that it could easily be any number of alternatives (Kipper tells Feaster, after hearing the trade rumours really heat up, that he's been planning on retiring at the end of the season, not to stop a trade, but to HELP Feaster and save him the loss of face if he traded Kipper and Kipper then retired).

To me there's a lot of difference between saying "If Kipper said such and such that's a bit distasteful but it's still within his rights" and "Kipper did this everyone should boo him" (not saying that's what you said, just illustrating the extremes in potentials).

[RT14]

Originally Posted by trublmaker

It is different because you're jumping to conclusions that everything is fact instead of waiting to find out the truth first.

Fair enough, I probably did state it as fact but I don't honestly believe it as fact. All speculation based on "insider" information and that's what things look like to me.

There'd really be no point of a hockey forum if people didn't speculate a bit.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I think this needs to be repeated because I don't think people know.

In all honesty, the only thing that I've seen relative to complications from the birth was Kypreos speculating that there MAY be such an issue.

If this speculation has been validated could I ask someone to share a link?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by New Era

This is true. But if that is the expectation you have, that you will just decide to retire at the drop of a hat, then why sign a long term deal? If you sign a long term deal, honor the full term of that deal. Otherwise, sign a one year deal and play every year to earn the next year's contract. If at some point, you decide you would lie to retire, walk away with nothing left on the table, either way. That to me is the honorable thing to do. To me, if you sign a deal you live with all terms of that deal, not just the ones you particularly like.

Well then teams shouldnt be allowed to buy players out either...it works both ways.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by New Era

This is true. But if that is the expectation you have, that you will just decide to retire at the drop of a hat, then why sign a long term deal? If you sign a long term deal, honor the full term of that deal. Otherwise, sign a one year deal and play every year to earn the next year's contract. If at some point, you decide you would lie to retire, walk away with nothing left on the table, either way. That to me is the honorable thing to do. To me, if you sign a deal you live with all terms of that deal, not just the ones you particularly like.

You are taking a very narrow view that looks only at this one instant in time. Fair enough, I suppose, but I think you have to widen the scope and look at all situations.

1. When Kipper signed the contract, the last year was an obvious cap cheat. One of the first such deals after the last CBA, actually. As I recall, we were speculating from day one on whether he would even play the final year of the deal as the purpose of it was more to control the cap hit. That is a benefit that Kiprusoff has already given the Flames via this contract.

2. The family situation is important. He has a newborn, and it has been speculated multiple times that there are also medical complications involved. That would seriously alter your viewpoint on things. It is possible that he would have accepted a trade absent these complications. But that is an alternate reality we are not privy to.

People are angry because they value a third round draft pick above Kiprusoff's family. That is a valid opinion, I suppose. But I really doubt anyone should be surprised that he evidently sees it differently.

[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by RT14

Fair enough, I probably did state it as fact but I don't honestly believe it as fact. All speculation based on "insider" information and that's what things look like to me.

There'd really be no point of a hockey forum if people didn't speculate a bit.

speculation is totally fine but remember what "insider" information can do...(aaron ward)

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by wretched34

For those of you saying, "I don't mind this, the return wouldn't have been all that great anyway" you obviously don't understand what is happening in Calgary right now.
The team is rebuilding... getting value for any asset not included in the rebuild is the goal. Kipper just stripped this organization of that by threatening to retire immediatley if he is traded.
If that's the game he wants to play, then he should retire immediatley no matter what.
I say he is made to announce it tonight, be given the start at home in the BOA, then get him off the books, bring up Taylor, let him play the majority of the remaining games, to see if he's worth resigning.... what's the worst that can happen? we draft higher.....

Honest question: What do you expect the return to be on a 36-year-old goalie, recently injured, playing as poorly as he ever has, who is on the verge of a final year of a stretched-out contract that most people don't expect him to play anyway? Add into the mix family issues, and no desire to continue playing by extending his contract?

The answer isn't a second-rounder, or even a fourth-rounder. The answer is absolutely nothing. And this is before the rumours started swirling that he would just as soon retire than to uproot his family in the middle of (presumably) a fairly serious time.

The 5.whatever million in cap space is by far the most important part of this equation. We should be thankful that the club won't have that committed for next season. Any suggestion of draft picks or a bag of pucks simply isn't realistic.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Kipper is the most important player in franchise history!!

If we didn't have Kipper, the Flames wouldn't be in Calgary right now.

Kipper is my favourite goalie ever in a flames uniform, but to say Calgary would not have a team if they didn't have Kipper is a big stretch.

[JayFlowmeester]

Originally Posted by trublmaker

And this is the gospel according to a bunch of talking heads?? No word from the club or Kipper but these guys are proof?? come on man

Talking heads?? There analysts this is there job..

[RT14]

Originally Posted by trublmaker

speculation is totally fine but remember what "insider" information can do...(aaron ward)

Haha, indeed there are many examples of insiders being totally wrong. But to his credit, even the Bruins believed they had a deal done.

Just like to add though, even though IF the Kipper situation played out as reported, in the end I will not hold his legacy as a Flame in any other light then I otherwise would have. Still has replaced Vernon as the best goalie to wear a Flames jersey, and I will always be a Kiprusoff fan, just wish he would have handled this situation better IF it's true.

In the end, even if true, it likely only cost us a 2nd round pick at best so it's not a big enough deal either way to tarnish his legacy.

[calgarywinning]

Originally Posted by RT14

Haha, indeed there are many examples of insiders being totally wrong. But to his credit, even the Bruins believed they had a deal done.

Just like to add though, even though IF the Kipper situation played out as reported, in the end I will not hold his legacy as a Flame in any other light then I otherwise would have. Still has replaced Vernon as the best goalie to wear a Flames jersey, and I will always be a Kiprusoff fan, just wish he would have handled this situation better IF it's true.

In the end, even if true, it likely only cost us a 2nd round pick at best so it's not a big enough deal either way to tarnish his legacy.

I really agree with this except his legacy is in jeopardy over his play this season. He has really checked out if he's not trying to help us get that top draft pick.

I sat in 209 last season and he played spectacular and made some amazing saves when the team in front didn't play as well as this year.