The Official Fire Feaster Thread

[neo45]

Only thing Feaster appears to be good at is the draft, and really how much can we credit a non-hockey guy for that? It's also still kind of early to call his drafts here a success

Trading, he is clearly bad at it and can't get the return that other GM's seem to be able to get. Free agent signings are meh, threw big money at guys and they accepted it. He also brought in Hartley, who hasn't really had much to work with, but doesn't appear to be the coach of the future. So drafting aside, he appears to be a crap GM, and he probably isn't even the guy making the draft picks.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I posted this in another thread, but it can probably be reposted here, as it is germane to the topic. I have been a supporter of Feaster's in his time here, and with the horrible returns on the season and some of what has transpired in the past couple of months, I find myself a little more guarded in my endorsement:



I'm not convinced that Feaster should be fired, but if he is, and the team does decide to entrust the rebuild to another, I am also fine with that. Following the entry draft and free agency, I expect to be more firmly committed one way or the other, but at this very early point in the new direction that the team has clearly taken, it is still far too early to make many certain claims about how good or how poor Feaster is suited to the present task.

Don't overlook the fact that Feaster let a great coach in Brent Sutter walk and in turn brought in one of the worst head coaches to ever coach the franchise. The Hartley hiring could be seen the day Feaster got the job full time and illustrates why GM's should never be able to hire their buddies. I believe of all Feaster's failings this season the worst was the hiring of Hartley. It worked out this season in a warped way in that it's going to provide this team with a top 3 pick but going forward he's going to be disasterous for this franchise. I have a hard time believing the owners are happy with the type of hockey this team is playing this season. It's repulsive watching this team try an mimic a rean NHL team play defense.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Don't overlook the fact that Feaster let a great coach in Brent Sutter walk and in turn brought in one of the worst head coaches to ever coach the franchise. The Hartley hiring could be seen the day Feaster got the job full time and illustrates why GM's should never be able to hire their buddies. I believe of all Feaster's failings this season the worst was the hiring of Hartley. It worked out this season in a warped way in that it's going to provide this team with a top 3 pick but going forward he's going to be disasterous for this franchise. I have a hard time believing the owners are happy with the type of hockey this team is playing this season. It's repulsive watching this team try an mimic a rean NHL team play defense.

I thought Sutter wasn't interested in coming back so him leaving was mutual. Right?

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Don't overlook the fact that Feaster let a great coach in Brent Sutter walk...

I think calling that a "fact" may be overstating it just a bit.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by neo45

Only thing Feaster appears to be good at is the draft, and really how much can we credit a non-hockey guy for that? It's also still kind of early to call his drafts here a success

It is too early, but I don't think we can be anything but pleased about the early returns. In short, A high number of Feaster's picks in the last two drafts appear to be ahead of the curve in their progress (Wotherspoon, Gaudreau, Granlund, Jankowski, Sieloff, Gillies), and I think this is a very good sign.

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

I thought Sutter wasn't interested in coming back so him leaving was mutual. Right?

Sad that it took him 3 years to realize what a mess this franchise has been since 1995. With the exception of the poop lucky run they had in 04, this team has been the laughing stock of the league for the last 15 yrs. whether you want to believe it or not. But, this city being hardcore hockey fans will still continue to buy tickets for a lousy on ice product for the next 5 yrs. Intelligent fans who want to see entertaining hockey should be buying Hitmen tix and receiving entertainment value for every dollar spent!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by gargamel

I think calling that a "fact" may be overstating it just a bit.

Are you trying to say that Feaster offered Sutter a new contract and he declined? Because that's not what happened. Brent put forth what he wanted if he was to remain head coach and Jay told him thanks but no thanks.

Funny but Brent knew more about what was wrong with the team than management or ownership.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Scooter

Sad that it took him 3 years to realize what a mess this franchise has been since 1995. With the exception of the poop lucky run they had in 04, this team has been the laughing stock of the league for the last 15 yrs. whether you want to believe it or not.

We made the playoffs 5 straight seasons, made it within a goal line of a Cup in '04, and were the best team in the NHL for half of '08-'09 before a ridiculous string of injuries. There were some bad years before the Cup run, and there were some bad years after Brent took over, but we were hardly the laughing stock of the NHL for the past 15 years.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Are you trying to say that Feaster offered Sutter a new contract and he declined? Because that's not what happened. Brent put forth what he wanted if he was to remain head coach and Jay told him thanks but no thanks.

Funny but Brent knew more about what was wrong with the team than management or ownership.

I don't know what happened behind the scenes, but I was referring to it not being a fact that Brent is a great coach. You may see the dropoff after he left as evidence that he is, but I see the dropoff when he took over as evidence that he's not.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by gargamel

I don't know what happened behind the scenes, but I was referring to it not being a fact that Brent is a great coach. You may see the dropoff after he left as evidence that he is, but I see the dropoff when he took over as evidence that he's not.

I think looking at his work in the Juniors, WJHC, the Devils and the three 90+ point seasons of overachieving with the Flames is a good indication that the man is a very, very good coach.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

I've been patient with Feaster up until the trade deadline. We should of been way more active than trading Comeau for a 5th.. I mean hes one of the younger roster players and you ship him out but no veterans? We still have a roster filled with NHL players and no rookies which is not the definition of a rebuild. Theres no reason we should be losing 8-2 to the oilers with the roster we have.

I would be more than happy with a collapse like that if we had 4-5 rookies on our roster but thats not the case. This better be a busy off season for the flames, I don't want to see anything close to the same roster that we now have. Feaster seems to be unable to negotiate with GM's. I wouldn't be surprised if he just listens to offers and says yes/no instead of actually taking the time to work with the other GM to make a fair deal. So far we've been robbed in our return for Iggy and Jbo unless somehow Feaster and his staff know better than the rest of the NHL.

We will see this time next year just what kind of a hole Feaster has left this team in. Who cares about a roster filled with youngsters if they aren't young stars.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think looking at his work in the Juniors, WJHC, the Devils and the three 90+ point seasons of overachieving with the Flames is a good indication that the man is a very, very good coach.

He took a team that had made the playoffs for 5 years in a row and came up short three years in a row. The collapse that led to the Phaneuf and Jokinen trades can be partially blamed on him. All while sucking any energy and excitement from the team's game and almost ruining players like Bouwmeester and Stajan.

Brent is definitely on the list of people to blame for where the Flames are right now. He may not be on the top of the list, but he is on there.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by neo45

He took a team that had made the playoffs for 5 years in a row and came up short three years in a row. The collapse that led to the Phaneuf and Jokinen trades can be partially blamed on him. All while sucking any energy and excitement from the team's game and almost ruining players like Bouwmeester and Stajan.

Brent is definitely on the list of people to blame for where the Flames are right now. He may not be on the top of the list, but he is on there.

I belive the collapse had more to do with his brother bringing in career losers like Jokinen, Bouwmeester, and all those Leafs to play important positions on the team than it had anything to do with Brent. The Phaneuf trade has to be blamed on Phaneuf and the players in the locker room. They all necessitated the move not the coach. The poor return is on Darryl All Brent did was squeeze as much as he could from an uncoachable group full of Leafs and Panthers losers.

[Flames.Central]

Hey guys! Been reading the boards for a while now. Finally decided to join to discuss and share opinions with fellow flamers. One of the biggest questions I have regarding the deadline was whether someone from the media asked Feaster about trying to retain salary while trying to unload players? If I remember correctly, Feaster pointed out that due to to the salary cap coming down next season a lot of teams were reluctant to take on huge amounts of salary. If this ownership group is serious about their new "mandate", did they try to retain any salary? Cammy's salary is probably one of the biggest reasons teams are reluctant to trade from him. Anything you guys know that I missed?

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by neo45

Only thing Feaster appears to be good at is the draft, and really how much can we credit a non-hockey guy for that? It's also still kind of early to call his drafts here a success

Trading, he is clearly bad at it and can't get the return that other GM's seem to be able to get. Free agent signings are meh, threw big money at guys and they accepted it. He also brought in Hartley, who hasn't really had much to work with, but doesn't appear to be the coach of the future. So drafting aside, he appears to be a crap GM, and he probably isn't even the guy making the draft picks.

Really? Check his draft record in Tampa (2002-2007):

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/t...r00008385.html

Can you find an actual NHL player in that list? Because I couldn't

[Azhouse]

New here.

While I was on Feaster's side to begin with, I thought he (and Ken King) should have been fired immediately afer the ROR debacle. It was a disgrace. I watched last night in horror.

I am not sold on Hartley either.

[Imported_Aussie]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Really? Check his draft record in Tampa (2002-2007):

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/t...r00008385.html

Can you find an actual NHL player in that list? Because I couldn't

Can you find an actual NHL player after he left that was not a pick inside the first 6 picks of a draft?
Problem could well have been Feaster, could also have been Tampa's scouting.
Scouting here, with guys like Weisbrod and Goulet may produce different results, or it may be just as inept. We will need to give time for the picks that have been made here to bear fruit, but early indications look good

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

Can you find an actual NHL player after he left that was not a pick inside the first 6 picks of a draft?
Problem could well have been Feaster, could also have been Tampa's scouting.
Scouting here, with guys like Weisbrod and Goulet may produce different results, or it may be just as inept. We will need to give time for the picks that have been made here to bear fruit, but early indications look good

Scouting falls on the GM, if he can't hire the right people then it's still on him for the failure

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Really? Check his draft record in Tampa (2002-2007):

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/t...r00008385.html

Can you find an actual NHL player in that list? Because I couldn't

To be fair he's got a bunch of later picks that have played more then a hundred games, which isn't bad. Paul Ranger was an NHLer and a very good one before he took a few years off. He's got some picks that look as if they could still be decent (Alex Killorn).

But his picks in the first 3 rounds. Wow. Tyrell and Smaby are the best of the bunch and they're spare parts. Killorn could still develop, and I guess Helenius could too, but wow.

It's hard to judge him on his trades, especially this year, because the market appears to be so over the place. The returns for Iginla and Bouwmeester look okay when compared to some deals and awful when compared to others.

They've all been discussed ad nauseum and I doubt the ones who think Feaster won won't sway the ones who say he lost and vice versa. No one know really knows what phone conversations there were but the bottom line for me is that this is the second year in a row they've held up from doing what they said they wanted to do.

Last year he gave the infamous fooled me speech and did nothing. This year, AFTER the big trades iirc, they said they were sellers. With so little sellers out there, how do you only end up with a 5th?

The Flames fanbase is no different then any other in that everything is looked at with homer glasses, which is why guys like Hanowski and Agostino and Cundari who would have been scoffed at two weeks ago - or if involved in trades with another team - are suddenly hyped up. That's natural for any fans and not unique so not worth criticizing I think. And the rationalization that its okay to accept "lesser" deals because it starts the organization moving on past Iginla/Bouwmeester is slightly ridiculous to me; criticism of the trade on its own merits as a hockey deal is still valid I think.

Bottom line for me is whether he's lost any deals is that he hasn't won any either imo. And you need to. Add in the rest of the issues (ROR, etc) and its hard to muster any confidence.

[Imported_Aussie]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Scouting falls on the GM, if he can't hire the right people then it's still on him for the failure

True, but what is to say he does not have the right people here?
It is not like he transported his whole previous regime up here when he took over.