Should Feaster get fired over the O'Reilly offersheet fiasco

[HELPNEEDED]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Avs can't trade him if they matched the offer sheet.

Avs can't trade a player who has signed an offer sheet.

Therefore, no trade is even possible.

Come on man, you should know this. They teach it in RMIN 743.

Thanks for the clarification.

Unfortunatley CBA is not part of grad teachings. But option valuation is.

[Sample00]

Originally Posted by timbit

Calgary was the only team to sign an offersheet for ROR. Feaster was the custodian for the Flames in that process. Knowing the rules is kind of a big part of his role.
He is ultimately responsible and accountable for the decision.

so whats your take then? what should the game plan be moving forward?

[Tinordi]

I actually don't think the paperwork has been filed. You can say you're going to match but until you sign on the dotted line, you haven't matched.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by valo403

One thing I have to ask, would this thread exist if the Flames were 12-3-4 instead of 7-8-4?

Such a mistake would likely be a lot more forgivable if Feaster was providing a good on-ice product. He is not, however, which magnifies this error.

I wouldn't fire Feaster for this alone, but I would fire him and other staff members for the job they have collectively done here.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by timbit

Calgary was the only team to sign an offersheet for ROR. Feaster was the custodian for the Flames in that process. Knowing the rules is kind of a big part of his role.
He is ultimately responsible and accountable for the decision.

Exactly. If there was someone under him who was supposed to be his "guy" for these types of issues, Feaster would've hired him and put his trust in him making him accountable for his performance. The Flames can't hide behind the CBA either as this would've been the exact same under the previous CBA. The only difference is the Avs could've re-signed him without putting him on waivers.

[big-bouw]

I want to hear Feaster first, but it's not looking good right now...

[polak]

Originally Posted by valo403

I don't buy that. This thread has plenty to do with longer term frustration.

The fact that he has failed miserably as a GM probably makes the hate boner much harder but regardless of record this blunder would've had a significant impact on the overall view of Feaster.

[Vedder]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

I actually don't think the paperwork has been filed. You can say you're going to match but until you sign on the dotted line, you haven't matched.

Only reason it might be is the Avs urgency to get him in lineup. But even then it's a pretty quick turnaround.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by nik-

The fact that 18% are basically saying no harm no foul just floors me.

As one of those, I honestly misread the answers (in particular, the 2nd)

Mine should be the one above: Everybody failed to read the rules. In fact, I don't think it was even mentioned yesterday in most articles. Feaster wasn't alone.

[TKB]

Originally Posted by valo403

I don't buy that. This thread has plenty to do with longer term frustration.

It shouldn't matter what a teams record is. If this offer sheet went through and the flames ended up giving away a potential top 10 pick as well as losing ROR on waivers, it would go down as the dumbest move in hockey history.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by nik-

The fact that 18% are basically saying no harm no foul just floors me.

Those are probably the people who read the thread title without getting updated on the waiver situation.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Tiger

Where is the choice that this was a good move. Everyone acts like we'd be drafting the most amazing player ever with our pick, but drafts are a risk and ror is proven. 55 points before 22 is quite awesome for a player. ROR would have been great and it addresses our needs at center

Did you read anything in this thread?

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

I actually don't think the paperwork has been filed. You can say you're going to match but until you sign on the dotted line, you haven't matched.

Who gets priority in such a waived player though? If it's current waiver order, then the Avs probably wouldn't get O'Reilly back even if they wanted him.

[wiiwii]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Now that it officially comes from the league O'Reilly would have to clear waivers to have played with the Flames if Colorado didn't match should Feaster be let go?

No. This confirms for me that Feaster is exactly the kind of guy I want to see running the Flames franchise going forward, for hopefully many years.

[HELPNEEDED]

Originally Posted by saillias

Those are probably the people who read the thread title without getting updated on the waiver situation.

FANS saying the same thing...no harm no foul

[craig.caulks]

Originally Posted by valo403

One thing I have to ask, would this thread exist if the Flames were 12-3-4 instead of 7-8-4?

I think if it was perceived that Feaster was doing a good job the tone of the conversation would be different.

However, if a practicing lawyer had made an error like this AND the deal had gone through, he'd be reporting himself to local bar or his client would be.

[MolsonInBothHands]

For the lawyers:

Is is possible that Calgary would have any recourse, being that ROR and his agent were not completely forthcoming with the fact he played after the season started? Could the offer sheet then become null and void?

In my perfect world, ROR could then remain ineligible to play. There is no offer sheet to match ... in my perfect world.

Sigh. It is frustrating though, that this team is forcing me to lower my expectations for a perfect world. This, rightfully or not, blows away any creditability this management team may have acquired with some of the astute signings they made. (Hudler, Wideman). This may be enough ammo for the Feaster haters to get their wish. I hope Weisbrod does survive.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by valo403

I don't buy that. This thread has plenty to do with longer term frustration.

Go on a general NHL forum and look at their opinions. This would've been one of the biggest screw-ups in NHL history. This isn't something that would've been shrugged off if we were a good team. Look at the Blackhawks RFA mess a few years back - this is significantly worse, but that was a major issue then and cost their GM his job.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

If this does turn out to be true, I wonder if Sherman will take some heat from Denver media/fans for making a deal so quickly at a price they clearly didn't want to pay, considering he didn't even have to do it, if it is in fact true.

I know Feaster looks the worst here, especially from our point of view. But Sherman clearly didn't understand the rules either.

Umm, yes, the Avs had to do it regardless. Their options today are exactly what they were yesterday:

1. Match the deal
2. Lose the player in exchange for Calgary's first and third rounder.

There is no third option for them.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

If this does turn out to be true, I wonder if Sherman will take some heat from Denver media/fans for making a deal so quickly at a price they clearly didn't want to pay, considering he didn't even have to do it, if it is in fact true.

I know Feaster looks the worst here, especially from our point of view. But Sherman clearly didn't understand the rules either.

Noone understood the rules, because the rules were never out lined. Daly is making them up off the top of his head.

If Daly's interpretation is correct, Feaster messed up, O'Reilly's agent messed up, Sherman messed up, the plethora of other agents/lawyers/GMs who were involved in the offer sheet process or considered making an offer sheet messed up.