[News] Flames claim Joey MacDonald

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Me telling you to be quiet unless you have the right facts is getting personal? Well maybe it was but you deserved it. Far too many posters get on here and start spouting off as if they have all the answers, when they don't. I follow the Heat as well and before that when they were in Quad Cities and before that in Omaha and before that in St. John and before that in Salt Lake City and in Denver, and I'm probably on that board as often as I'm over here and I know the problems that Irving has had but you were going way over the top with your statements.

He has a difference of opinion and that is perfectly allowed. You don't have to be so aggressive to other people is what he is getting at.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

If people can't discuss things like a backup goaltender without personal insults involved then they'll be receiving a vacation. Enough is enough.

It's a game, a sport...........enjoy it. If you can't stop the insults take the night off to cool down.

[$ven27]

Crazy that a backup goalie picked up on waivers gets 25 pages worth of comments.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Yeah, I'm sure coaches never hear about a player being an ass to teammates. Especially if they had a better option in net like you're suggesting they did in Everett.

He probably won't be a Flame by next season regardless.

I was just giving some food for thought. I think unless its to the lvl of a Sean Avery the Flames would probably stick with Irving anyway. Who else have they had to make Irving "the future of the Flames goaltending" expendable to this point? Look at Patrick Kane, we all think he is a D bag but I would welcome that guy with open arms to the Flames and put up with quite a bit of bull ####. But, if his talent started to drop off, I would have him out of there in no time.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Coupled with the threats to go to Europe. He seems to be one of those guys that thinks he is better than he is.

Players mature as they get older and sometimes that cockiness is replaced with humility. From what i've read lately from Irving himself, he comes across as person who believes he has earned nothing and has to prove his worth. A cocky player wouldn't be saying to the media that he was going to look at the game films from the Vancouver game and see where he could imporve his game.

Threats of going to Europe were probably a bargaining ploy with the Flames. If he was serious he would have left for Europe.

[photon]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

If people can't discuss things like a backup goaltender without personal insults involved then they'll be receiving a vacation. Enough is enough.

It's a game, a sport...........enjoy it. If you can't stop the insults take the night off to cool down.

Reading the forum tonight after the game is embarrassing.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Psytic

I was just giving some food for thought. I think unless its to the lvl of a Sean Avery the Flames would probably stick with Irving anyway. Who else have they had to make Irving "the future of the Flames goaltending" expendable to this point? Look at Patrick Kane, we all think he is a D bag but I would welcome that guy with open arms to the Flames and put up with quite a bit of bull ####. But, if his talent started to drop off, I would have him out of there in no time.

I looked up Wall just to see what he is up to, did you know he was traded to Colorado, was offered a contract as an RFA, turned it down (that was in 2007). Now he plays in a AA senior club in the CIHL.

Maybe he was the one with the attitude who thought he was better than he actually was. Again, just food for thought.

I know what you're saying about attitude, but unless it comes from someone credible, personally, I don't give it much validity. (And I'm not meaning you, but rather this Michael Wall).

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I looked up Wall just to see what he is up to, did you know he was traded to Colorado, was offered a contract as an RFA, turned it down (that was in 2007). Now he plays in a AA senior club in the CIHL.

Maybe he was the one with the attitude who thought he was better than he actually was. Again, just food for thought.

I know what you're saying about attitude, but unless it comes from someone credible, personally, I don't give it much validity. (And I'm not meaning you, but rather this Michael Wall).

Who knows, I am just giving some possible reasons for what is going on here with this signing since it doesn't make any sense.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Who knows, I am just giving some possible reasons for what is going on here with this signing since it doesn't make any sense.

Probably more to do with a back to back coming up and Taylor looking poor in practice like people are saying. I would imagine after KIpper returns one of either Macdonald or Irving will be put on waivers and claimed.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I looked up Wall just to see what he is up to, did you know he was traded to Colorado, was offered a contract as an RFA, turned it down (that was in 2007). Now he plays in a AA senior club in the CIHL.

Maybe he was the one with the attitude who thought he was better than he actually was. Again, just food for thought.

I know what you're saying about attitude, but unless it comes from someone credible, personally, I don't give it much validity. (And I'm not meaning you, but rather this Michael Wall).

Not only that, but it has to suck to have a 16 year old rookie put up a better GAA than you and virtually the exact same SV%.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Probably more to do with a back to back coming up and Taylor looking poor in practice like people are saying. I would imagine after KIpper returns one of either Macdonald or Irving will be put on waivers and claimed.

That sucks. I was really hoping Taylor could at least get a start and do well. It would have been a feel good story and a good reward from the Feaster meritocracy for his play in Abby.

I guess we will have to be careful getting to high on Gilles and Brossoit when they join the Heat if guys that aren't NHL capable can put up league leading stats under Ward's system.

[puckluck2]

Why is this thread 25 pages? Serious question as I'm not about to read them all. This story isn't that exciting that it should garner 25 pages.

[magicpixels]

Originally Posted by Psytic

That sucks. I was really hoping Taylor could at least get a start and do well. It would have been a feel good story and a good reward from the Feaster meritocracy for his play in Abby.

I guess we will have to be careful getting to high on Gilles and Brossoit when they join the Heat if guys that aren't NHL capable can put up league leading stats under Ward's system.

This is my beef with Ward and the rest of the flames organization. They are absolutely mental to not be playing our prospects on the farm team whether they are lighting it up or stinking. They aren't going to improve our franchise by letting career minor league players take important spots.

I mean no offence to Ward or anybody else in the Flames but its beyond stupid that they continue to let them play Taylor just because he's been good for them when it has ZERO benefit to this team.

Then we wonder why the Flames organization is yet to develop one capable goalie in the past 30 years. Maybe they need to take a hard look at how they manage things.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I think the reason why they got MacDonald was because of reports of Taylor looking not so good in practice. He was having a hard time adjusting to NHL shooters, which is kind of not good in case Irving goes down.
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Taylor was probably anticipating that NHL shooters would be picking corners on him and overcompensated. Silly Taylor, if he just stood in the middle and didn't move too much, the Flames shooter would just put the puck into his chest. Just inexperience really, give Taylor a few more practices and he'll figure it out.

[868904]

Originally Posted by magicpixels

This is my beef with Ward and the rest of the flames organization. They are absolutely mental to not be playing our prospects on the farm team whether they are lighting it up or stinking. They aren't going to improve our franchise by letting career minor league players take important spots.

I mean no offence to Ward or anybody else in the Flames but its beyond stupid that they continue to let them play Taylor just because he's been good for them when it has ZERO benefit to this team.

Then we wonder why the Flames organization is yet to develop one capable goalie in the past 30 years. Maybe they need to take a hard look at how they manage things.

Ward only cares about a good record and winning, because that is what is going to get him hired for an NHL head coaching job. You can't blame him for wanting to win.

That's why i've been of the opinion that Ward is a great coach, but not a good development coach. He's young and ambitious.

What you want in a development coach is a true teacher. Someone who perhaps has been to the show already and is done with NHL egos and just wants to teach and help young kids get to the next level.

I don't know if there are coaches like that out there, but too me, it would make sense to find guys like that rather than young ambitious coaches who's number 1 priority is to win.

[thymebalm]

Originally Posted by magicpixels

This is my beef with Ward and the rest of the flames organization. They are absolutely mental to not be playing our prospects on the farm team whether they are lighting it up or stinking. They aren't going to improve our franchise by letting career minor league players take important spots.

I mean no offence to Ward or anybody else in the Flames but its beyond stupid that they continue to let them play Taylor just because he's been good for them when it has ZERO benefit to this team.

Then we wonder why the Flames organization is yet to develop one capable goalie in the past 30 years. Maybe they need to take a hard look at how they manage things.

This was touched on before, but the system of playing prospects ahead of veterans has been employed on our farm team with equal (maybe even lesser) results. I think Ward's system provided us with several capable call ups last season.

I'd rather prospects go through a winning environment and earn their stripes than be thrown to the wolves and suffer through disappointment after disappointment. A winning pedigree means more to me than prospects individual counting stats.

Of course, I have no idea which type of system actually yields better results... It seems to me that Hersey is always a winning team in the AHL, but I don't know if their prospects translated that to big leagues since Washington is basically as bad as the Flames this year.

I wonder if there has been some research into this..

[sven]

I'm ok with this pickup.
I think Irving has been fine but its a good insurance to have until Kipper returns.

I don't know how true the stories are about Taylor not being NHL ready during practice but you have to wonder why they would pick up another goalie while Kipper will be back relatively soon

BTW, why are the PGT and GT threads locked? C'mon boys, can't we all just behave and have some civilized hockey talk???

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

This was touched on before, but the system of playing prospects ahead of veterans has been employed on our farm team with equal (maybe even lesser) results. I think Ward's system provided us with several capable call ups last season.

I'd rather prospects go through a winning environment and earn their stripes than be thrown to the wolves and suffer through disappointment after disappointment. A winning pedigree means more to me than prospects individual counting stats.

Of course, I have no idea which type of system actually yields better results... It seems to me that Hersey is always a winning team in the AHL, but I don't know if their prospects translated that to big leagues since Washington is basically as bad as the Flames this year.

I wonder if there has been some research into this..

I don't think going 100% one way or the other is the answer. Like most things in life the middle way is the way to success.

Having said that IMO Ward should have stuck with Irving until he regained his form. Irving was more valuable to the Flames for this season than a few games lost in the AHL. Than again obviously, Ward knows more about the situation than I do.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I don't think going 100% one way or the other is the answer. Like most things in life the middle way is the way to success.

Having said that IMO Ward should have stuck with Irving until he regained his form. Irving was more valuable to the Flames for this season than a few games lost in the AHL. Than again obviously, Ward knows more about the situation than I do.

I seem to remember Feaster saying that his coaches shouldn't play favourites and that every player had to earn his spot in the line up. He didn't play well in Abby and lost his position to Brust and Taylor. At training camp he played better than Karlsson and won the backup position. That's the way it should always be IMO.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Dion

I seem to remember Feaster saying that his coaches shouldn't play favourites and that every player had to earn his spot in the line up. He didn't play well in Abby and lost his position to Brust and Taylor. At training camp he played better than Karlsson and won the backup position. That's the way it should always be IMO.

At that rate we'd hardly ever have a rookie make the team. Young players need a chance to play and grow so by the end of the season they are better than the vet.