Ongoing US Mass Shooting Thread

[missdpuck]

Well at least the shooter wasn't in either school. Small favor that he was just in the neighborhood.

Pathetic to think that way, no doubt.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by EYE_Overstand

concealed gun laws are ####ed

Fixed your post.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by EYE_Overstand

Florida is ####ed

Actually this is the correctly fixed post.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Actually this is the correctly fixed post.

I'd even expound on that a bit, but I don't feel like offending anyone tonight.

Could it just be as simple as there weren't enough good guys with guns.

[valo403]

Is that a gun in your pants or....

http://www.kpho.com/story/23585268/1...ile-couple-hug

[DuffMan]

So while checking out FoxNews's pespective on how the President is destroying the country, I came across these 2 NRA related articles, that make me shake my head.

NRA pushes back against Illinois proposal to increase gun penalties


The National Rifle Association is stepping up its campaign against a proposed gun control measure in Illinois that supporters argue will help combat and prevent street violence by increasing penalties for gun crimes.


The bill, sponsored by Democratic state Rep. Mike Zalewski, calls for more time behind bars for possessing illegal weapons. It increases penalties for unlawful use of weapons, including by felons or gang members. It would make probation less likely, imposing minimum prison sentences of three years in many cases. It would also require that offenders serve at least 85 percent of their sentences, up from 50 percent.

The NRA's Institute for Legislative Action wrote in a website post that the bill will jeopardize concealed carry in Illinois by imposing tough penalties for individuals who carry a firearm without a concealed-carry permit or firearm owner's identification card.

"This specific provision incorrectly targets otherwise law-abiding citizens, rather than deterring violent criminals with harsher penalties," the group said in an Oct. 10 statement.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...cmp=latestnews

really? could've sworn I just read that they were targetting illegal use of guns.

[DuffMan]

2.

Legally blind, but still want to carry a loaded handgun out in public?

Not a problem if you live in Iowa.

Debate builds in Iowa over gun permits for the blind


Being legally blind is not a problem for Iowa residents who want to carry their handguns around in public.


The Hawkeye State quietly has been granting the conceal-carry permits to the legally blind since 2011. But there is a growing debate over that law, and its effectiveness in balancing gun safety against Second Amendment rights.

The Iowa State Sheriffs’ and Deputies’ Association says public safety is at risk and the law should be changed.

“If you can't see, why should you be arming someone to shoot out in the public,” said the group’s president, Washington County Sheriff Jerry Dunbar.

But Michael Barber, who is completely blind and recently received his conceal-carry permit, says carrying his handgun for protection is his constitutional right.

“The Second Amendment does not say we have the right to bear arms unless we're disabled. I should be able to protect my family just like you can, just like anyone else can,” Barber said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...cmp=latestnews

lol, now that's interpretting the second amendment .

[Itse]

we’ve highlighted some of the most notable cases where a version of the Stand Your Ground law has led to freedom from criminal prosecution

https://www.propublica.org/article/f...uld-know-about

Funny stuff. If your sense of humour is like that.

[DuffMan]

13 years old? No they don't have a problem with guns

Nevada student opens fire at middle school, killing teacher and injuring 2

A teacher at a middle school in Nevada was shot and killed while trying to protect children after a student arrived on campus Monday and started opening fire before turning the weapon on himself, police say.

One male student injured in the shooting at Sparks Middle School in Sparks, Nev., has gone through surgery, while the other is doing well, Washoe County School District Chief of Police Mike Mieras said during a news conference.

Family members identified the staff member who was killed as math teacher Michael Landsberry, a 45-year-old military veteran who leaves behind a wife and two stepdaughters.

The gunman died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound after turning the semi-automatic handgun on himself, authorities said.

A Sparks police dispatcher said reports of the shooting -- which happened on the school's campus, but outside the school building itself -- started coming in at 7:16 a.m. local time.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/21...middle-school/

[Temporary_User]

Idiot tries to rob store, pastor pulls gun on man and stops robbery

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...s-robbery?lite

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

Idiot tries to rob store, pastor pulls gun on man and stops robbery

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...s-robbery?lite

Because that is totally what Jesus would do.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by temporary_user

idiot tries to rob store with a spoon, pastor pulls gun on man and stops robbery

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...s-robbery?lite

fyp

[DuffMan]

God Guns and Glory.

[CaptainCrunch]

I was down in Dallas last week and I spend some time talking to a very nice lady about this whole guns thing. She bought up the whole second amendment thing and the right to bear arms as being a check against the government suspending liberty.

I pointed out that if the American Government decided to uncage the military against its citizens that a bunch of poorly trained people with hand guns and shot guns and assault rifles wouldn't be able to do much against the might of their own military. Her response was a very American, but we'd die trying.

She was baffled that we didn't have carry and conceal laws in Canada, because it was fundamental to being able to protect themselves against criminal actions.

The only thing we agreed on was that there needs to be better background checks and restrictions against people that have been diagnosed with mental illnesses.

It was a very surreal conversation.

[DuffMan]

Another sad story of a 13 year old boy, guns and death. I honestly can't believe people think the NRA and their message makes any sense.

Reuters) - A 13-year-old California boy carrying a replica of an assault rifle was shot and killed by sheriff's deputies who apparently believed the gun was real, local media reported on Wednesday.

The incident took place in the northern California community of Santa Rosa on Tuesday, a day after a 12-year-old boy killed a teacher at a Nevada middle school with a gun he also used to take his own life.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...99M0VU20131023

[Resolute 14]

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/terrib...500-8C11469222

MURICA! F YEAH!!

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/terrib...500-8C11469222

MURICA! F YEAH!!

Sadly, this I believe this will be used by those that support long guns (ie AR-15).........

[MarchHare]

The editor of Guns & Ammo magazine wrote an article in which he opined that Americans who apply for a concealed carry permit should have to take a mandatory safety training course. How do you suppose the gun-crazed lunatics responded to this quite reasonable suggestion? By cancelling their subscriptions and calling for the editor to be fired*, of course!

They also started a letter-writing campaign that includes some real gems:

Anyone who says “I believe in the Second Amendment but–” does not believe in the Second Amendment. They are not friends, they are not frenemies, they are enemies of The People of the Gun.

The People of the Gun! They've definitely entered Poe's Law territory when they use a ridiculous term like that to describe themselves.

*And they got their wish, according to this response from the magazine's publisher.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I was down in Dallas last week and I spend some time talking to a very nice lady about this whole guns thing. She bought up the whole second amendment thing and the right to bear arms as being a check against the government suspending liberty.

I pointed out that if the American Government decided to uncage the military against its citizens that a bunch of poorly trained people with hand guns and shot guns and assault rifles wouldn't be able to do much against the might of their own military. Her response was a very American, but we'd die trying.

She was baffled that we didn't have carry and conceal laws in Canada, because it was fundamental to being able to protect themselves against criminal actions.

The only thing we agreed on was that there needs to be better background checks and restrictions against people that have been diagnosed with mental illnesses.

It was a very surreal conversation.

This sounds to be a conversation I would LOVE to have.

One of my favourite things is a good discussion with a reasonable person who believes something fundamentally different than me.

A conversation where we don't try and convince the other that they are wrong but merely try and understand the other's position and find flaws in the other's beliefs not to rub it in their face but make the other's argument/belief better.

To your conversation partner being able to carry a con sealed weapon is so fundamental to her sense of self and safety that shed rather due than give it up. To me (and presumably you as well) you'd rather not have the threat of the unknown gunman with a state controlled check on who has dangerous weapons.

I don't understand the gun culture, but if like to know more about it.

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

The editor of Guns & Ammo magazine wrote an article in which he opined that Americans who apply for a concealed carry permit should have to take a mandatory safety training course. How do you suppose the gun-crazed lunatics responded to this quite reasonable suggestion? By cancelling their subscriptions and calling for the editor to be fired*, of course!

They also started a letter-writing campaign that includes some real gems:



The People of the Gun! They've definitely entered Poe's Law territory when they use a ridiculous term like that to describe themselves.

*And they got their wish, according to this response from the magazine's publisher.

Wow. Gutless capitulation and pandering to the most uneducated and ignorant of their customer base. Merca....
I would strongly suspect the NRA was the driving force behind this letter writing campaign, and that that organization probably told the Editor to fire the writer, no doubt with lots of threats.