[GT] US election - It's 2020, what could possibly go wrong?

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

ThIs Is WiShFuL tHiNkInG. dOnAlD tRuMp'S dEpArTuRe WiLl CrEaTe A vAcUuM tHaT tHe LaW oF cLiCkBaIt WiLl ReQuIrE tO bE fIlLeD.

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tHeRe ArE tOo MaNy PeOpLe - PoLiTiCiAnS, cOrPoRaTiOnS, nEwS mEdIa, CeLeBrItIeS, eTc, ThAt GaIn ToO mUcH fRoM hYsTeRiA fOr It To Be JuSt AlLoWeD tO eVaPoRaTe As A fUeL.

Do you need an adult?

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by devo22

no, intellectually honest people don't recognize these possibilities because they remember how Donald Trump has spoken about Mexicans and they remember him saying things like "grab them by the #####". And those were not isolated incidents either.

Donald Trump is a racist and a sexist. Period.

ergo the half of the population that supported him (including minorities), are also racist?

[Minnie]

Somebody needs this...

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I'm not sure why you would think anyone would need to replace Trump as "orange man bad". He's not going to go anywhere. He's going to continue to insist he was robbed of the election, that Biden is illegitimate and that he is the real President. He's going to continue to attract attention to himself, and the media will continue to give it to him because he's such a sideshow. And while the Democrats will no doubt impugn McConnell - which I'd note they have already been doing for many years - they're going to still be talking about Trump as well, just as Trudeau continues to talk about Stephen Harper (not that there's a comparison between them).

The strategy in 2022 and 2024, clearly, will be "don't let the Trump administration back into power".

[devo22]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

ergo the half of the population that supported him (including minorities), are also racist?

no, but half of the population had no problem voting for a racist (which is the point Jiri was making as well). Stop twisting words.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

There may still be plenty of problems left to solve ahead, but the sun is shining here in Vancouver, I just popped open a bottle of my best wine and raised a glass with friend in NYC who I was with four years ago when the news broke that Trump had won, and it's a better day today than it was yesterday. It feels like a weight is being lifted.

You've gotta take the wins when they come and enjoy them. Hope everyone who has felt the same weight on their chest the last 4 years is breathing easier and has some time to celebrate today.

I'd pay good money to see Donald Trump rage-quit, pitch a fit in the Oval office like a 5-year old at a supermarket who just got denied cookies and then storm away.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by devo22

no, but half of the population had no problem voting for a racist (which is the point Jiri was making as well). Stop twisting words.

Jiri’s contention was that it speaks to some sort of moral failing. I would disagree with that.

[MarchHare]

[Puppet Guy]

Has Pat Robertson started backtracking yet?

[Izzle]

Wow, BoLevi has enough tears to moisten Ben Shapiro's wife.

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[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by devo22

no, but half of the population had no problem voting for a racist (which is the point Jiri was making as well). Stop twisting words.

That's where my additional possibilities are important: what percentage of the Trump supporters do you think don't agree that he is a racist?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

There are three other possibilities, which intellectually honest people would recognize as possibilities, even if they didn't agree with them:

3. People don't think Donald Trump is actually a racist OR a sexist
4. Donald Trump is not actually a racist
5. Donald Trump is not actually a sexist

(Being a sexist does not automatically make one a racist, and vice versa).

Well, #4 and #5 are not true (he most clearly IS a racist).

So that leaves #3, which, I agree, does apply to many of the 70 million people that voted for him. However, the fact that they believe this is on them - you can present evidence to people, but you can't make them see it.

[Robo]

Originally Posted by Minnie

Somebody needs this...

Hey he's not playing basketball he's golfing

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by izzle

wow, bolevi has enough tears to moisten ben shapiro's wife.

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a+.

[MarchHare]

American liberals evict elderly, financially-distressed COVID survivor from inner-city public housing. So much for the tolerant left.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by Izzle

Wow, BoLevi has enough tears to moisten Ben Shapiro's wife.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by Robo

Hey he's not playing basketball he's golfing

I wasn't talking about him

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm not sure why you would think anyone would need to replace Trump as "orange man bad". He's not going to go anywhere. He's going to continue to insist he was robbed of the election, that Biden is illegitimate and that he is the real President. He's going to continue to attract attention to himself, and the media will continue to give it to him because he's such a sideshow. And while the Democrats will no doubt impugn McConnell - which I'd note they have already been doing for many years - they're going to still be talking about Trump as well, just as Trudeau continues to talk about Stephen Harper (not that there's a comparison between them).

The strategy in 2022 and 2024, clearly, will be "don't let the Trump administration back into power".

You're right, Trump is a unique character. Even if every flaw you can claim about him is true and accurate, this is also true:

1. He became a billionaire...twice
2. He married a supermodel....twice
3. He's been one of the most famous people in the world for 40 years, creating a brand (love it or hate it) around nothing but his name
4. He got elected as President of the united states.

He's certainly not going to quietly retire to a ranch like Bush 2.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Well, #4 and #5 are not true (he most clearly IS a racist).

So that leaves #3, which, I agree, does apply to many of the 70 million people that voted for him. However, the fact that they believe this is on them - you can present evidence to people, but you can't make them see it.

Again, back to my point...if all of the blue-staters just think that the 50% of the population is either dumb, blind, or racist, then they can't exactly blame the "other guys" for being the divisive ones. I doubt that Biden will preside over some unifying moment in American history.

Trump supporters know that that's what blue-staters think about them.

[bob-loblaw]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'd pay good money to see Donald Trump rage-quit, pitch a fit in the Oval office like a 5-year old at a supermarket who just got denied cookies and then storm away.

I'd actually love this to happen. I'd take Pence for a couple months over an unhinged orange psychopath for the sake of the country.