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Old 10-01-2020, 10:54 AM   #4941
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Also, this just seems appropriately absurd.

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^ you were scooped. Go back a page or two.
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First post-debate national polls are out:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1311703523265056769

Sharp decline in "undecided" voters...
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Old 10-01-2020, 11:05 AM   #4944
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I'm not convinced that Trump isn't losing some wishy washy voters of his own, the I never voted before Trump crowd, mostly in the rust belt.

He isn't exactly putting forward any life altering vision, fake or not, for the working class this time around, like he did in 2016. Nafta, TPP, China, bringing back manufacturing jobs, coal, better cheaper healthcare, revitalizing the military, immigration, the wall ect.

His campaign is essentially more of the same with nothing on his populist agenda, no real wall progress, sweet FA on healthcare, and none of the rhetoric around the working class. All he has from the above are a few items on the trade agenda that everyone knew is superficial, or can't see tangible results in their own lives. Add that to the pandemic boat anchor and I think he's bleeding more support than Biden is from the left.
That's a good point. He's replaced the "I'm going to stop the Mexicans and other foreigners from stealing your jobs" talk with plain old racism against Americans.
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Just to remind you of red America, my Aunt was arguing with my mom and among my aunts talking points were that Trump has give more to farmers than anyone ever (our family is from small town Illinois), that he has brought peace to the middle east, and that Biden wants to make us all socialists. She also asked my mom to name anything bad about Trump aside from his abrasiveness. (essentially actual policy critiques)

I gave my mom some response talking points and explained why I felt my aunt was full of s%&t, but just wanted you guys to know, Trumpers are sticking with him.
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This individual is not affluent and more of a member of that shrinking middle class. It is likely the individual does not have a high paying job, is limited on benefits, and has to make due with those benefits provided by employer.
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First post-debate national polls are out:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1311703523265056769

Sharp decline in "undecided" voters...
I wouldn't be at all surprised if other, high-quality pollsters find a similar bump, but just a reminder that Change Research is a C- rated pollster.
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Some more data with 2016 comparatives:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1311706053621538816
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Fox turning on Trump since he's been fellating ONN too much? Or legitimately tired of this?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1311699137134505984
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Old 10-01-2020, 11:42 AM   #4949
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You could go to the Canadian politics thread around the election and see the same posters making the same 'all candidates are terrible' posts there.
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Old 10-01-2020, 11:43 AM   #4950
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Fox turning on Trump since he's been fellating ONN too much? Or legitimately tired of this?

1311699137134505984?

Are you kidding me?

Like actual 1311699137134505984?

Wow, Trump is gonna be PISSED!

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Old 10-01-2020, 11:44 AM   #4951
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Lying comes as easy as breathing for this crew.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1311689358295085056
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Most Trumpsters think a Rhodes scholar is someone who studied traffic planning.
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This is a good look

https://twitter.com/user/status/1311711755534577669
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They are never going to come out against white supremacist and hate groups because those kinds of people vote for them. They should be ashamed that's the case, but their priority solely lies in power.
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True. Does muting a mic really make a difference? Biden would still hear him, I imagine.
It’s a lot easier to talk over someone if you have a microphone and they don’t.

Comedians survive because of this.

Trump can scream off mic all he wants, but I don’t think that’s going to play as well as he imagines.
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Honestly, I think that muting the mic would be red meat for the "liberal censorship" "cancel culture" crowd. It would embolden the "freedom of speech" types.
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Honestly, I think that muting the mic would be red meat for the "liberal censorship" "cancel culture" crowd. It would embolden the "freedom of speech" types.
Give each contestant a mute button that mutes the other!
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Honestly, I think that muting the mic would be red meat for the "liberal censorship" "cancel culture" crowd. It would embolden the "freedom of speech" types.
Each person gets two minutes. The other candidate’s mic is off during that time.

During the 30 second response, the other mic is off.

Go back and forth twice, the onto the next topic.

I think this should be the case in all political debates. You get your time. Speak your peace.

Then shut the #### up.

Let the other person talk, they have just as much right to their time as you do to yours.

It might go a long way to restoring civility if people actually saw it in action.

There used to be a word for that. Leadership, I think it was.
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Honestly, I think that muting the mic would be red meat for the "liberal censorship" "cancel culture" crowd. It would embolden the "freedom of speech" types.
They're basically terrorists. They use their hurt feelings as a weapon. You can't acquiesce to them just because they'll throw a tantrum if you don't. If a mute button is needed to shut that fat ###### up, it's not even a question. Just do it and let them complain.
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For those interested, this was the bill passed by the House.

H.R. 5736: Transnational White Supremacist Extremism Review Act

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...bill/5736/text

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr5736/text

https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek...hr5736-SUS.pdf

"The Under Secretary for Intelligence and Analysis of the Department of Homeland Security shall, in coordination with appropriate Federal partners, develop a terrorism threat assessment and reference aid regarding threats to the United States associated with foreign violent white supremacist extremist organizations."

This is not a new bill either. This has been working through the process since January 30, 2020. So this was not a "gotcha" bill like some are likely to portray.
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