Edmonton is No Good VI: Chia•den•freu•de

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by metal_geek

Is it wrong I wanna see Caggiula score 20 goals, just to watch Oiler fans cry?

If that's wrong, I don't want to be right.
to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised to see his offensive numbers rise.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

The guy working the NHL trade office must've wondered if he was being prank called and then needing to hold back the laughter when he confirms it's real.

No kidding. You can almost imagine NHL head office calling up Chia just to make sure this is correct and that's the deal they really want to make.

[1991 Canadian]

Just as a thought experiment, I've decided to try and assess what moves an Oilers GM could reasonably make with this roster.

McDavid: Untradeable because he is too valuable. Will keep team from being a lottery team.
Draistatl: Tradeable, but his high salary and lack of proven success away from McDavid will dimenish his value.
RNH: Tradeable. Trading him for a winger or dman would create one hole to solve another.
Lucic: Not just untradeable, he actually has negative value. Buyout proof $6 million for 5 more years contract.
Spooner: Untradeable, negative value. $3.1 for next years. On pace for a blistering 12 points.
Reider: Untradeable, but at least his contract ends this year.
Kassian: Untradeable, negative value. $1.95 million for next 2 years.
Brodziak: Untradeable. $1.1 million for next 2 years.
Puljujärvi: Tradeable, but it would be for another struggling prospect. Maybe Lawson Crouse?
Rattie: Tradeable, but barely any value. Maybe worth a 6th round pick?
Khaira: Tradeable, but barely any value. Maybe worth a 4th round pick?
Chaisson: Tradeable. Currently injured, but could maybe fetch a 3rd round pick at the deadline?

Larsson: Tradeable. Great contract. Solid number 3-4 defenceman. Arguably untradeable given the Oilers traded a future MVP to get him.
Klefbom: Tradeable. Great contract. Solid 2-3 defenceman. Should not be dealt since he is the best defenceman on the team.
Nurse: Tradeable. Decent bridge contract. Struggling this year and still lost defensively. I honestly have no idea what a trade return would look like.
Russell: Untradeable. Decent 5-6 defenceman, but 3 more years of $4 million per is too much. Good on Kris for getting his money.
Petrovic: Untradeable. Apparently worth a 3rd round pick? 6-7 defenceman. At least his contract is only 1 year.
Manning: Untradeable. Negative value. 6-7 defenceman making $2.25 million for next 2 years.
Benning: Untradeable. Negative value. 6-7 defeneceman making $1.9 million for next 2 years.
Gravel: Untradeable. 6-7 defenceman. At least his contract is only 1 year.

Koskinen: Tradeable, unless he keeps trending downwards. Only 1 year contract.
Talbot: Untradeable. Only 1 year contract.

Jones, Yamamoto, Bouchard, etc...: Tradeable, but haven't seen enough at NHL level to make a decision on. Could end up being NHL players so it would be foolish to trade them away.

I honestly can't find a logical path forward that would build the Oilers franchise into a contender (with McDavid). They could trade this years 1st and 2nd for a rental, maybe for Duchene for example. I don't think the Oilers are a Duchene away from a Stanley Cup so it is a pointless move.

They could trade Chaisson and Koskinen at the deadline. They are the only non-core pieces that would fetch any sort of return. They'd maybe get a 3rd or 4th round pick for each if they are lucky.

They could trade Nurse or Puljujärvi for some other teams struggling young players. They'd be looking at Lawson Crouse or Jonas Brodin type returns. You could argue they should do this before those players lose more value (like Yakupov eventually did).

The only Oilers players that have any trade value are almost untradeable due to their age, good contract, or importance to the team. Sure, go ahead and trade RNH, Larsson, or Draisaitl. Unless you can swindle some other team, you're creating a new hole in your lineup.

There are 2 good, but not blue chip prospects in the system. The overall prospect base is in the bottom third of the league with very few draft "risers". I'm not good at assessing prospects, but I think Oiler fans expecting Bouchard or Yamamoto to turn this franchise around are in for a rude awakening.

This was my first time really diving into the Oilers Capfriendly contract page. I knew the Oilers had some deadweight on their roster, but I didn't think it was this bad. They are screwed, Chiarelli or not.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by 1991 Canadian

I honestly can't find a logical path forward that would build the Oilers franchise into a contender (with McDavid). They could trade this years 1st and 2nd for a rental, maybe for Duchene for example. I don't think the Oilers are a Duchene away from a Stanley Cup so it is a pointless move.

With 50k left in cap space there won't be a rental of any kind let alone a $6m player.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

With 50k left in cap space there won't be a rental of any kind let alone a $6m player.

Of any kind? I think there very well could be a few rentals.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Don't get me wrong I am really enjoying this but there's also some bizarre twilight zone thing going on here. Even if inside the walls of that organization they think they are getting better it's pretty clear to everyone on the outside they are making bad trades and digging a deeper hole for the organization.

I think either Chia is burning the bridge as he departs and doesn't care what future it leaves for the next guy, or Lowe has taken over the President of Hockey ops back. Or both.

The fact that Spector is active on this and that the Strome deal was called by him as regrettable and that he reveals that they were trying to fix thst today (or Spooner has asked to be traded) , makes me think that Lowe may be back running the show and is mobilizing his media friends... either against China or for him, depending.

[bigrangy]

^I'd trade more than a 4th for Khaira. He's pretty much Mark Jankowski.

I don't know what the Flames would do with him but he is an above replacement value player.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

^I'd trade more than a 4th for Khaira. He's pretty much Mark Jankowski.

I don't know what the Flames would do with him but he is an above replacement value player.

Have to disagree with you on that one. Jankowski scored 17 goals as a rookie center last year, displays more skill and likely has a higher ceiling. Jankowski plays on the bottom 6 and gets the ice time he does because he has less NHL experience and the team is deep. Khaira plays a similar roll and gets similar ice time on a much shallower Edmonton team. He wouldn't even have a roster spot on the Flames.

And isn't Khaira a winger (I could be wrong)?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by browna

I think either Chia is burning the bridge as he departs and doesn't care what future it leaves for the next guy, or Lowe has taken over the President of Hockey ops back. Or both.

The fact that Spector is active on this and that the Strome deal was called by him as regrettable and that he reveals that they were trying to fix thst today (or Spooner has asked to be traded) , makes me think that Lowe may be back running the show and is mobilizing his media friends... either against China or for him, depending.

Is Chia really trying to sabotage the organization? Obviously going to be hard for the guy to ever get another GM job, but that would be masochistic.

You might be right about Lowe but weird to let the club just fail. It is a strange organization.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by 1991 Canadian

Just as a thought experiment, I've decided to try and assess what moves an Oilers GM could reasonably make with this roster.

IMO, if you're the Oilers, you are desperately hoping the NHLPA opts out of the CBA and that you get compliance buy-outs when the inevitable lockout is resolved. That gets you out from under Lucic's cap hit for free.

Then, you frankly need to trade Draisaitl and try to get three good pieces. You won't get any superstars this way, but what the Oilers need most is guys who can play hockey well. With McDavid, they pretty much only need a roster of otherwise slightly above replacement level players plus a goaltender. That wouldn't be a cup contender, but it would likely be a playoff team more often than not.

[rayne008]

Lol!!!!!!!!!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1079520264868622336

[Bunk]

In retrospect, the title of this thread is absolute perfection.

[Sutter4Mayor]

E=NG

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

See also: Bob, Bill(and variations), Dick (but why), Jack (always incomprehensible to me), Betty, Meg, Ted, etc....

I've always been baffled by Richard to Dick and Margaret to Peggy.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I've always been baffled by Richard to Dick and Margaret to Peggy.

Well, that got me curious:

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index....t-for-richard/

How Dick became a nickname for Richard is known and is one of those “knee bone connected to the thigh bone” type progressions, somewhat similar to how the word ‘soccer’ came about. Due to people having to write everything by hand, shortened versions of Richard were common, such as ‘Ric’ or ‘Rich’. This in turn gave rise to nicknames like ‘Richie’, ‘Rick’, and ‘Ricket’, among others. People also used to like to use rhyming names; thus, someone who was nicknamed Rich might further be nicknamed Hitch. Thus, Richard -> Ric -> Rick gave rise to nicknames like Dick and Hick around the early 13th century.

The rhyming couplet thing is also how Robert --> Bob (Rob Bob) and William --> Bill (Will Bill) came about.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I've always been baffled by Richard to Dick and Margaret to Peggy.

The one I have a hard time figuring out is Taylor to Adam. Must be a regional thing...

[Flamette]

Edmonton Oil Drops
@edmoildrops
Updated article includes new salary cap breakdown after Caggiula/Manning trade as well as Gambardella recall. Oil are using $3.2975 million of LTIR relief. At least that much salary will need to be moved once Sekera comes back.

In other words, there are more trades to come.

[Dion]

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Flamette

In other words, there are more trades to come.

[Reggie Dunlop]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1079513952420163584