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Old 12-25-2020, 10:19 PM   #4921
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I can safely say flames are out on Savard. At $4.2 million cap hit no chance they can make that work.
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Old 12-25-2020, 10:42 PM   #4922
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I can safely say flames are out on Savard. At $4.2 million cap hit no chance they can make that work.
There's also the fact that we already have 100 defensemen. I've always liked Savard though, he's big and tough, and has some skills-though he's not looked to for offense in Columbus anymore. If there was a way to fit him into the line-up, I'd be all for it.
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There's also the fact that we already have 100 defensemen. I've always liked Savard though, he's big and tough, and has some skills-though he's not looked to for offense in Columbus anymore. If there was a way to fit him into the line-up, I'd be all for it.
Dreger said Treliving was trying to get another right shot defenseman via trade so maybe this was the target. Agree we have a surplus of d but if this player makes us better, I can see treliving adding him. The gaf meter on this team is something that always needs improvement, so if he adds to that department, I’m sure treliving will find him a seat on the bus.
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There's really no way for them to add Savard to this roster unless they're trading both Ryan and Bennett.
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There's really no way for them to add Savard to this roster unless they're trading both Ryan and Bennett.
You are right on face value however Columbus has lots of cap space and could eat cap to make a deal. They have a stone age forward group average age 29.4! They would have to be after a young forward from Calgary IE a Bennett, Dube or Mangiapane. Can't imagine they'd want a 33 year old Ryan in an already nearly wheel chair forward squad. I'm pretty sure the Calgary Management knows who they would part with but still Columbus has the option to eat some and make it more palatable.
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You are right on face value however Columbus has lots of cap space and could eat cap to make a deal. They have a stone age forward group average age 29.4! They would have to be after a young forward from Calgary IE a Bennett, Dube or Mangiapane. Can't imagine they'd want a 33 year old Ryan in an already nearly wheel chair forward squad. I'm pretty sure the Calgary Management knows who they would part with but still Columbus has the option to eat some and make it more palatable.
They still have to sign Dubois, so they will have very little cap space. I’m sure they’d love to add another young forward, but everything will hinge on Dubois’ contract.
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You are right on face value however Columbus has lots of cap space and could eat cap to make a deal. They have a stone age forward group average age 29.4! They would have to be after a young forward from Calgary IE a Bennett, Dube or Mangiapane. Can't imagine they'd want a 33 year old Ryan in an already nearly wheel chair forward squad. I'm pretty sure the Calgary Management knows who they would part with but still Columbus has the option to eat some and make it more palatable.
Not to mention that Dubinsky is injured and not expected to play again which will allow them to go over the cap if necessary. Imagine Dubois needs to sign before any further moves happen but a situation worth monitoring.
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Old 12-26-2020, 09:19 AM   #4928
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Monahan + Hanifin + 1st 2021 for PL Dubois + Savard

I think it's pretty reasonable.
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Old 12-26-2020, 09:44 AM   #4929
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Monahan + Hanifin + 1st 2021 for PL Dubois + Savard

I think it's pretty reasonable.
I don’t really like that from a Flames perspective. Savard is older and a pending UFA so I think it is an overpay for Dubois.

I think if you drop the 1st it is fair
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Old 12-26-2020, 10:49 AM   #4930
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I don’t know. What the team does without him has nothing to do with what he does, or what they do with him.

He had more to say than anyone about expectations His contribution of 2 points in 6 games this year did not make him a material contributor to their wins. And was exactly on pace with his career 5 points in 15

Honestly, it doesn’t matter all that much. To whatever degree you are satisfied with his contribution, I don’t believe you would hear him be as satisfied.

At the end of the day, his play needs to exceed his talk and in the post season he has work left to do
He was 2nd on the team in five on five points / 60, in the top five in most play driving metrics.

I think he was instrumental in how he started the Jets series and got the opposition and their coach off their game.

Did he light it up? Nope, but he certainly wasn't the problem.

Can't believe how poorly Monahan and Gaudreau did five on five (Lindholm too).
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Jackets find a D man through PTO, Flames were also interested...

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Last season the Stouffville, ON native collected 15 points in 49 games for the Anaheim Ducks and was apparently listening to similar offers from a number of teams including the Calgary Flames, New Jersey Devils and Chicago Blackhawks.
https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2020/1...ree-agent.html
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Really wish I would see more Flames rumors working on other positions other than D. We have good depth and opportunity for the youth to flourish.

Id love another RHS RW or two to really get good forward depth. Leave is fine but I want more options when this year it'll be war. At least if a d man or two go down we have options. Not so much at forward .
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I don’t really like that from a Flames perspective. Savard is older and a pending UFA so I think it is an overpay for Dubois.

I think if you drop the 1st it is fair
You think Monahan and Hanifin gets you PLD and Savard? Why on Earth would Columbus do that?
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You think Monahan and Hanifin gets you PLD and Savard? Why on Earth would Columbus do that?
PLD has a career high 61pts and a career 0.67ppg where Monahan has a career .75ppg and career high 82pts. Both failed to hit 50 this year. PLD may want a huge contract that Columbus isn’t interested in where Monahan is locked up at a nice number for 3 more years.

Savard is a 29 year old pending UFA which means he probably wants a 4-6 year deal at or over $5M which would be a risky contract. Hanifin is 23 and has 4 seasons left at just under $5M.

Flames get the youngest player but Columbus gets the guys with longer term security. Not sure why the Flames are adding a first here? Trade makes some sense for the Flames because they could use a shakeup but no need to overpay in order to have it make sense for the Jackets.
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Some here may hate Mony as 1C but other teams look at a young "two way" C that has posted 80+ points, 20+ goals every year since entering the league and led his team in playoff production on a cap friendly contract and not see garbage.

Just saying.

Also factor in the possibility that PLD may want a larger contract than Monahan is signed to, and Columbus being a club that isn't swimming in cash to throw around.

Its not completely outlandish given the style and system that Columbus plays. I could see Torts liking a player like Monahan a lot.
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PLD has a career high 61pts and a career 0.67ppg where Monahan has a career .75ppg and career high 82pts. Both failed to hit 50 this year. PLD may want a huge contract that Columbus isn’t interested in where Monahan is locked up at a nice number for 3 more years.

Savard is a 29 year old pending UFA which means he probably wants a 4-6 year deal at or over $5M which would be a risky contract. Hanifin is 23 and has 4 seasons left at just under $5M.

Flames get the youngest player but Columbus gets the guys with longer term security. Not sure why the Flames are adding a first here? Trade makes some sense for the Flames because they could use a shakeup but no need to overpay in order to have it make sense for the Jackets.
PLD is much younger than Monahan and has elite 1st line C potential. There is no way Columbus does that. Not a chance.
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PLD has a career high 61pts and a career 0.67ppg where Monahan has a career .75ppg and career high 82pts. Both failed to hit 50 this year. PLD may want a huge contract that Columbus isn’t interested in where Monahan is locked up at a nice number for 3 more years.

Savard is a 29 year old pending UFA which means he probably wants a 4-6 year deal at or over $5M which would be a risky contract. Hanifin is 23 and has 4 seasons left at just under $5M.

Flames get the youngest player but Columbus gets the guys with longer term security. Not sure why the Flames are adding a first here? Trade makes some sense for the Flames because they could use a shakeup but no need to overpay in order to have it make sense for the Jackets.
Oh, I think Columbus is very much interested in a huge/long term deal with PLD. I would imagine he’s seen in the same light as Seth Jones, that being a franchise corner stone. He’s just scratching the surface.
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https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2020/1...ree-agent.html
Michael del Zotto? He's terrible. Pass.
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Michael del Zotto? He's terrible. Pass.
There really aren’t any “good” players out there that will fit into the lower dollar value contracts we’d be looking at from a taxi-squad perspective, so I’d sooner just keep things as is.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Mangiapane
Lucic - Bennett - Dube
Simon - Ryan - Leivo
Nordstrom

Hanifin - Andersson
Giordano - Tanev
Valimaki - Kylington
Nesterov

Markstrom
Rittich

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Domingue
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Rinaldo
Robinson

You likely need another forward and defenceman in the group at minimum, but there really isn’t much on the market that will fill those roles and actually be “good” to any real degree.
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There is no reason to have Gawdin and Yelesin (maybe even Mackie) in Stockton, unless it is for the reps. I'm ok with Tre laying off the Ufa signings.
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