This'll be sacrilegious to some people, but I was totally hoping the new Mustang would have an AWD option.
After buying my first AWD car I will never own any other kind. It's pretty small fry compared to most posters in here it seems (Mazda 3 Turbo, 250hp), but it's by far the most fun vehicle I've ever driven in the snow, and it corners on dry pavement like it's on rails
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My wife has a 2019 Golf R and throws Hakkapeliitta's on it in the winter, and it is frikking awesome. You can drive it like a WRC car, LOL. Hence she doesn't let me drive it anymore in the winter. It's literally the swiss army knife of cars. It does everything, and totally suits her needs. So I totally get the appeal.
Yeah, I think that's kinda why badly wanted to get back into an AWD. Driving and weaving around strugglers during a snow storm is so satisfying. Having to constantly play with the throttle to keep the wheels from spinning too much and losing speed to try and pass strugglers is boring.
I get what you mean about the AWD boring fast. There's a special sense of satisfaction you get from surviving a white knuckle drive. I was on the highway a few months ago and I asked my wife if I should slow down. "Why?" she asked. "I'm doing 160." she had no clue. That was hilariously satisfying as well. The car is as stable at 170-180 as my van at around 120-130. It's not as exciting in the summer, but in the winter it's a blast.
The only problem is hooking it up. If you run it with traction control on, it almost always bogs out. You run it in track mode, if you hook up, pretty much nothing has a chance. But, if you start to spin, you're just gonna make a bunch of noise and smoke. So it's kinda win-win I guess? lol
Unless you're this ######-nozzle at the Wednesday night car meet at New Horizon mall a few weeks ago:
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I don't know why this made me so happy today but I saw an awesome European cab-over semi on the Trans Canada highway. They look so much cooler than the traditional North American semi.
Unless you're this ######-nozzle at the Wednesday night car meet at New Horizon mall a few weeks ago:
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####ing Mustang guys man. They’re dodge guys of the car world.
Sorry pylon, but you’re running with some pretty fine goofballs.
LOL, yeah there are certainly a lot of knotheads that buy these cars. I have my theories on why so many guys lose control of them.
I think what's happening is some guy who's been driving mom's minivan, or FWD/AWD cars their whole life, they get in a car like this, kill the traction control to show off to their buddies, and have no bloody clue what to do when things go wrong. They panic, target fixation takes over, and they basically freeze up.
Those of us than grew up driving RWD cars year round (gen Xers were the last batch of significance) can usually rescue one of these cars once they start losing traction because we've been there driving our IROC or Mustangs year round back in the day. I drove a 1987 Trans AM GTA in the mid 90s on Gatorbacks for 2 years, even took it to ski hills LOL. You threw a few sandbags in the hatch and hoped for the best. Hell, even the $500 cheap car if choice back then the Chevette, was RWD.
It's a lot like guys that start riding motorcycles in their 50's, and go and buy a 850 pound Harley touring bike with zero riding experience. They hook up with more experienced riders, end up way over their heads on a twisty road, and target fixate themselves right into a barbed wire fence.
At the end of the day, it's lack of experience, and an over abundance of confidence.
LOL, yeah there are certainly a lot of knotheads that buy these cars. I have my theories on why so many guys lose control of them.
I think what's happening is some guy who's been driving mom's minivan, or FWD/AWD cars their whole life, they get in a car like this, kill the traction control to show off to their buddies, and have no bloody clue what to do when things go wrong. They panic, target fixation takes over, and they basically freeze up.
Those of us than grew up driving RWD cars year round (gen Xers were the last batch of significance) can usually rescue one of these cars once they start losing traction because we've been there driving our IROC or Mustangs year round back in the day. I drove a 1987 Trans AM GTA in the mid 90s on Gatorbacks for 2 years, even took it to ski hills LOL. You threw a few sandbags in the hatch and hoped for the best. Hell, even the $500 cheap car if choice back then the Chevette, was RWD.
It's a lot like guys that start riding motorcycles in their 50's, and go and buy a 850 pound Harley touring bike with zero riding experience. They hook up with more experienced riders, end up way over their heads on a twisty road, and target fixate themselves right into a barbed wire fence.
At the end of the day, it's lack of experience, and an over abundance of confidence.
Haha, OMG. Gen X here. First car was a Pontiac Acadien (sister car of the Chevette). $800, so I was pretty fancy compared to the $500 heap in your example. Sandbags in the hatch as well, with no way to tie them down so they were coming for the back of my head if I had crashed (that is, if the 6x9 speakers in the boxes didn't get me first).
LOL, yeah there are certainly a lot of knotheads that buy these cars. I have my theories on why so many guys lose control of them.
I think what's happening is some guy who's been driving mom's minivan, or FWD/AWD cars their whole life, they get in a car like this, kill the traction control to show off to their buddies, and have no bloody clue what to do when things go wrong. They panic, target fixation takes over, and they basically freeze up.
Those of us than grew up driving RWD cars year round (gen Xers were the last batch of significance) can usually rescue one of these cars once they start losing traction because we've been there driving our IROC or Mustangs year round back in the day. I drove a 1987 Trans AM GTA in the mid 90s on Gatorbacks for 2 years, even took it to ski hills LOL. You threw a few sandbags in the hatch and hoped for the best. Hell, even the $500 cheap car if choice back then the Chevette, was RWD.
It's a lot like guys that start riding motorcycles in their 50's, and go and buy a 850 pound Harley touring bike with zero riding experience. They hook up with more experienced riders, end up way over their heads on a twisty road, and target fixate themselves right into a barbed wire fence.
At the end of the day, it's lack of experience, and an over abundance of confidence.
Honest question. I've been told in the past by older drivers that for RWD situations, when you enter into an evasive maneuver/recovery scenario, the method to recover in an FR is different than a FF or 4WD/AWD vehicle. As in your mentality for throttle, steering, braking, cruising etc. should differ when in a RWD than a FF or 4WD/AWD. It's not major differences, but supposedly the order is slightly different that could have significantly different results. Is that true?
Most of the other younger drivers I've asked say they don't notice a difference in the way they have to drive in inclement weather in a FR vs a FF vehicle which seems bizarre to me. The older guys I seem to recall, used to say that you'd want to do evasive maneuvers and get clear of as much as possible before you'd aim to slow down and stop almost as if they assume you can't stop in time or that slamming on your brakes would mean instant spin out or something like that. Most people in a FF/4WD vehicle slam on the brakes right away and then do evasive maneuvers if they deem they can't stop in time.
Or was this difference mainly a difference of older FR vehicles that didn't have ABS vs more modern FF vehicles that have ABS standard? Or am I seriously misremembering something?
See we did 5 gallon sand buckets rather than bags... makes the border guards a bit suspicious when you head down for a ski trip, I can tell you that much.
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Man, one of the first things I taught my kid when he got his learners was how to drift on snow in a RWD truck. We went out to a massive parking lot and did doughnuts and powerslides on ice so he could learn how to properly ebrake into a parking stall and do continuous burnouts. It's a life skill I learned (and mastered) in the high school parking lot back in the 90's.
Surprisingly GTA had already taught him the nuts and bolts of this.
I drove my parents' giant 70's Chrysler New Yorker as my first car, and my first purchased car was a 65ish Mustang, both RWD.
But it's been so long since I've driven an RWD car I'd probably want to take some kind of skid training, or at least practice on a big open lot.
People used to manage in those days which is pretty amazing when you consider how bad tires were then compared to today. Modern traction control and winter tires makes RWD more winter capable than you would think. I have driven MR2 Turbo, Mustang GT, and M2 in Calgary winters without much issue but there are snow days where you may be best staying home and I wouldn't take them on ski trips into the mountains. They still have limitations though as if you are on a steep incline and have to stop in slippery conditions it's big trouble or getting in a steep driveway that's slippery.
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Honest question. I've been told in the past by older drivers that for RWD situations, when you enter into an evasive maneuver/recovery scenario, the method to recover in an FR is different than a FF or 4WD/AWD vehicle. As in your mentality for throttle, steering, braking, cruising etc. should differ when in a RWD than a FF or 4WD/AWD. It's not major differences, but supposedly the order is slightly different that could have significantly different results. Is that true?
Most of the other younger drivers I've asked say they don't notice a difference in the way they have to drive in inclement weather in a FR vs a FF vehicle which seems bizarre to me. The older guys I seem to recall, used to say that you'd want to do evasive maneuvers and get clear of as much as possible before you'd aim to slow down and stop almost as if they assume you can't stop in time or that slamming on your brakes would mean instant spin out or something like that. Most people in a FF/4WD vehicle slam on the brakes right away and then do evasive maneuvers if they deem they can't stop in time.
Or was this difference mainly a difference of older FR vehicles that didn't have ABS vs more modern FF vehicles that have ABS standard? Or am I seriously misremembering something?
Honestly, it's just a feel thing. It's so hard to explain. It's almost no different than your first few time on skates or a snowboard. You suck at it and gradually get the feel. Even without profesional instruction, you'll figure it out. I just don't think a lot of drivers are taking that time to figure it out.
Driving cars with no traction control and RWD back in the day when snow tires were an absolute luxury, inevitably lead to quite a few hit curbs and spin outs until you just figured out the limitations of throttle, counter-steering, brakes etc. You just kinda got used to it over time. And got better. These cars were the norm not the exception.
However, in a situation where you start breaking traction on a launch, my first instinct is to power through and countersteer through it. If you hit brakes when you're out of control, whatever you are pointed at is what you are going to hit if you lock up with your wheel turned at high speed. Especially if you end up in gravel or on grass. ABS or not.
As counter intuitive as it seems, braking can be the dumbest thing you can do in certain situations.
However, these rules are typically going to apply in a performance driving/track scenario. RWD cars now have so many traction aids.... ESP, ASR, ABS etc... in an every day, getting groceries scenario, you just drive like every other car out there.
It's black ice, track situations, being an idiot at Cross Iron Mills as shown above, you have to shift the mentality. Especially if you've thrown it in track mode or turned off traction control. 250 HP Camaros and Mustangs were already a handful back in the day. Now stuff is coming off the showroom floor with double that and making bad things happen twice as fast.
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