2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

When does the trade freeze lift?

12:01 am Dec 28th.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

I also said Backlund is an excellent player earlier in this thread.

But comparing two data points, zone starts and points, to bring Bergerons salary into the discussion is the definition of cherry picking.

My post isn't a drive by, Bergeron is one of the best centres in the league and Backlund isn't. They are not comparable players. Argue that.

It was a drive by because it offered no counterpoints.
Your post later on this page actually does. Why not just post something like that instead of dismissing what someone is saying but offering no actual counter arguments?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't think Backlund is at Bergeron's level, but no other player is. With that said, Backlund faces similar competition while getting pounded in zone starts.

Nobody is saying Backlund is equivalent and nobody is saying Backlund should make as much as he does.

Putting things in perspective, Backlund is a fantastic player and will absolutely be worth paying fair value for.

Paying fair value for Backund is fine, nobody is arguing against that. Overpaying Backlund or giving him too many years is not fine given the young talent that will need contracts down the road.

[Ashasx]

Fundamentally you don't want to overpay for players. The argument has arisen that Backlund may not be worth what some of us believe he is worth.

I think numerous posters in this thread have provided evidence that Backlund is a good bet to be a good player for many seasons yet. He fills a huge void on this team that we would be desperately trying to fill without him.

With that said, I don't think it will cost 6x6 to retain Backlund, particularly given the contracts Monahan and Gaudreau are on.

[Cappy]

An underrated Backlund with a deal offering good value and some term is certainly a tradeable asset in the future if Janko et. al. develop as we hope.

[colbym72]

A large amount of players are not paid their true value. Often when it comes to free agency, you pay more than what you need to to outbid another team for someones services or to retain a guy. He might get a little more than he is worth, but there isn't another centre in the organization right now that can fill that role.

[Poe969]

could we add a poll...in another thread. What do you think will be Backlund's next contract. It could get long with all the options so maybe just a few options so it doesn't have to be specific...

then maybe we could get to trade rumouors and speculation lol.

[activeStick]

I see Tavares as a fit in San Jose but have no idea on their cap situation next year. Thornton is an old man and Pavelski is getting there too.

[Samonadreau]

Ive always wonder if NYR would take a run at Tavares. Sanjo would make sense too.

If there was a Canadian team that would make sense it would be the Nucks.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

It was a drive by because it offered no counterpoints.
Your post later on this page actually does. Why not just post something like that instead of dismissing what someone is saying but offering no actual counter arguments?

I get that we're all Flames fans here and that many posters may not have a great knowledge of other players and teams but come on. I shouldn't need to do a detailed post "proving" that Bergeron is in a completely different class than Backlund. It isn't a "drive-by" to point out that it's ridiculous to compare those two players. We're talking about a guy who played on the top line for Team Canada... twice. He won a gold medal and a World Championship. A guy who's won 4 Selkes. A guy who was the clear favourite for the Conn Smythe if Boston won in 2013.

The term "drive by" is now synonymous with an opinion that I don't like but don't care to address directly.

[AC]

I don't think anybody is arguing that Bergeron and Backlund are equal players.

But when it comes to contract negotiations, both sides are going to present their group of players they feel Backlund belongs to in order to support a specific dollar value. I wonder which players Backlund's agent will present? The other centres who finished in the top 5 of Selke voting and put up nearly identical points last year?

And it will be Treliving's job to argue all those reasons why Bergeron is superior to Backlund, while Backlund's agent will argue that Backlund started in the defensive zone almost 20% more often than Bergeron, and so forth.

I think it's ignorant or at least naive to say that they are night and day non comparable groupings because I can guarantee Bergeron, Kesler, and Koivu's names will feature heavily in contract negotiations for Backlund. It doesn't mean anybody believes he is a $8M player, but that his useage, production, and value ultimately can be compared to other players in the same category.

[cKy]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I see Tavares as a fit in San Jose but have no idea on their cap situation next year. Thornton is an old man and Pavelski is getting there too.

Crazy, I had the exact same thought this morning as well. I have no idea how or why, but it just seems like a really good fit.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

It was a drive by because it offered no counterpoints.
Your post later on this page actually does. Why not just post something like that instead of dismissing what someone is saying but offering no actual counter arguments?

Wild GM meet Tinordi. Tinordi, Wild GM.

Now you've met.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

I get that we're all Flames fans here and that many posters may not have a great knowledge of other players and teams but come on. I shouldn't need to do a detailed post "proving" that Bergeron is in a completely different class than Backlund. It isn't a "drive-by" to point out that it's ridiculous to compare those two players. We're talking about a guy who played on the top line for Team Canada... twice. He won a gold medal and a World Championship. A guy who's won 4 Selkes. A guy who was the clear favourite for the Conn Smythe if Boston won in 2013.

The term "drive by" is now synonymous with an opinion that I don't like but don't care to address directly.

No the term drive by is when someone can’t be bothered to actually back up what they are saying and instead just states something as fact
In this case I don’t think the poster was even saying they are on the same levels but rather using Bergeron as a comparison point including from a salary point of view
You made the leap in terms of what he was saying and ignored everything else
If you don’t like being labeled with the term drive by then stop driving by

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

The term "drive by" is now synonymous with an opinion that I don't like but don't care to address directly.

it's being used in this case because usually your initial post on a subject is one or two lines of snark/derision, with a bonus for labeling the board as a homerific homerey homertown. only when you're called out to explain further do we get a quality post backing up your position.

you often have good, valid opinions on things hockey related, but they too often get buried under your compulsion to kick things off with a zinger. clean that up and you'll find the discussions a lot more productive.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Backlund finally pans out to be the player we wanted him to be after waiting so long. Now we want him out?

Watch out Janko, you're up in 5 years.

[CanucksWorstNightmare]

Got to thinking today I wonder if Buffalo would have any interest in Jon Gillies?With the emergence of David Rittich and Tyler Parsons knocking at the door I could really see him being a big part of a trade that brings Evander Kane to Calgary.Buffalo really doesn't have any up and coming goalie prospects do they?If we could add a guy like Kane for Gillies and say one of our D prospects along with say a 2nd round pick I think it may be enough to interest the Sabres.I really like the idea of adding a guy like Kane who is only 26 and seems to be just coming into his own.Sure he has made some poor decisions in the past but what kid hasn't between the age of 18-25?I really think he has matured and learned from those mistakes.He is an incredible skater and has a physical element to his game that would fit in perfect with our group.What do you guys think?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Backlund finally pans out to be the player we wanted him to be after waiting so long. Now we want him out?

Watch out Janko, you're up in 5 years.

Welcome to the business side of the NHL. Simple as that. Big picture is that Tkachuk and Janko and maybe Bennett are going to get big raises. Center is a position of strength vs weak wings. If Moving Backlund grants the team itself better overall forward balance, Im afraid to say you gotta do it.

If we think with our heads instead of our hearts, there's an equal chance they move Backlund as there is of re-signing him.

I get it, Backlund should be a Flame for life, I truly believe that, but I don't see the long term advantage of keeping him over moving him to make the overall team better.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Center is a position of strength vs weak wings.

If Bennett is a winger long-term, I'm not sure I agree with that at all.

[Volica]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Welcome to the business side of the NHL. Simple as that. Big picture is that Tkachuk and Janko and maybe Bennett are going to get big raises. Center is a position of strength vs weak wings. If Moving Backlund grants the team itself better overall forward balance, Im afraid to say you gotta do it.

If we think with our heads instead of our hearts, there's an equal chance they move Backlund as there is of re-signing him.

I get it, Backlund should be a Flame for life, I truly believe that, but I don't see the long term advantage of keeping him over moving him to make the overall team better.

This team without Backlund is significantly worse than with him in the lineup. Monahan, Jankowski and Bennett cannot do what he does; and we'd be exposed often. Unless one of these guys takes a huge step forward... 5.5x5 works fine for me.