2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Chayka boned them and left. He almost left as much damage done to AZ as Chia did to Edmonton.

Definitely. Chia still made 2 brilliant moves in getting max term contracts for their franchise cornerstones and the Draisaitl contract looks to be one of the best in the league.

Unless we see a huge leap forward from Keller I think Chayka’s reign in Arizona might be worse than what Chia did in Edmonton (which is also remarkably bad)

[MrMike]

Has Chakya taken another job yet with all the rumours that were flying around?

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Definitely. Chia still made 2 brilliant moves in getting max term contracts for their franchise cornerstones and the Draisaitl contract looks to be one of the best in the league.

Unless we see a huge leap forward from Keller I think Chayka’s reign in Arizona might be worse than what Chia did in Edmonton (which is also remarkably bad)

The Draisaitl contract should be compared to its peers. Mackinnon the year before signed a 6.2M 7 year contract. The next year, Draisatl signed a contract for 8 years 8.5M. Now every player is different every team is different blah blah blah. But Just because Draisatl's contract is good now, doesn't mean it was good for its time.

Indeed, you can point to his contract to being the first to unsustainably inflate RFA value. Over the next few seasons his contract will be rich compared to RFA's as the cap is not going up for about few years.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The Draisaitl contract should be compared to its peers. Mackinnon the year before signed a 6.2M 7 year contract. The next year, Draisatl signed a contract for 8 years 8.5M. Now every player is different every team is different blah blah blah. But Just because Draisatl's contract is good now, doesn't mean it was good for its time.

Indeed, you can point to his contract to being the first to unsustainably inflate RFA value. Over the next few seasons his contract will be rich compared to RFA's as the cap is not going up for about few years.

I'd love to have Draisaitl on my team for 8.5M for the next 6 years. Chia lucked himself into that contract as at the time it was a bit of an overpay. But still, it looks pretty good today. I'd be thrilled if Tkachuk's next deal came in at 8.5×8. And biases aside I think Draisaitl>Tkachuk

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

I'd love to have Draisaitl on my team for 8.5M for the next 6 years. Chia lucked himself into that contract as at the time it was a bit of an overpay. But still, it looks pretty good today. I'd be thrilled if Tkachuk's next deal came in at 8.5×8. And biases aside I think Draisaitl>Tkachuk

I didn't say it was a bad contract right now, what I am saying that within the context it was signed it was far from as good of a deal as it could have been.


Its been 4 years since RFA contracts of this size has been the standard. It is unsustainable, and we will see teams walk back from offering contract this size to RFAs because of the way the cap is now. For better or worse Chia and Draisaitl set a new standard for how good RFAs get paid.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Draisaitl is >Tkachuk. Which means Tkachuk is not going to get the money he thinks he is in line for. There is going to be a moment of fiscal realignment for salaries, and Tkachuk is going to feel that pinch. Tkachuk talks a big game, but hasn't yet proven to be that big game hunter he likes to make himself out to be. That will impact what he gets paid along with the adjustment.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by New Era

Draisaitl is >Tkachuk. Which means Tkachuk is not going to get the money he thinks he is in line for. There is going to be a moment of fiscal realignment for salaries, and Tkachuk is going to feel that pinch. Tkachuk talks a big game, but hasn't yet proven to be that big game hunter he likes to make himself out to be. That will impact what he gets paid along with the adjustment.

Yeah my hope is we can lock Tkachuk down long term around the 7M range on his next contract.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Yeah my hope is we can lock Tkachuk down long term around the 7M range on his next contract.

It won't happen. Tkachuk only has 1 RFA year left - and we didn't overpay up front to lock him longer term like how Edmonton did. Their early commitment will pay dividends for the next 5 years.

It's why I hated the 3-year deal for Tkachuk, but at the same time Draisaitl's deal was done in a pre-Matthews era - and Matthews signing his deal screwed up that entire year of RFAs. Rather than getting the sweet deals like Draisaitl at 8.5, we got shorter term deals for all the bigger RFAs.

Tkachuk is elite, and will be paid accordingly. His qualifying offer being what it will be gives him a lot of leverage in contract negotiations - because if the number doesn't get to where he wants it, he can take the 1-year big money qualifying offer and walk to free agency the next summer.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It won't happen. Tkachuk only has 1 RFA year left - and we didn't overpay up front to lock him longer term like how Edmonton did. Their early commitment will pay dividends for the next 5 years.

It's why I hated the 3-year deal for Tkachuk, but at the same time Draisaitl's deal was done in a pre-Matthews era - and Matthews signing his deal screwed up that entire year of RFAs. Rather than getting the sweet deals like Draisaitl at 8.5, we got shorter term deals for all the bigger RFAs.

Tkachuk is elite, and will be paid accordingly. His qualifying offer being what it will be gives him a lot of leverage in contract negotiations - because if the number doesn't get to where he wants it, he can take the 1-year big money qualifying offer and walk to free agency the next summer.

Sure he can, but he’d be taking $10mil guaranteed instead of $64-$70mil guaranteed... you make it sounds like he obviously wouldn’t take less than his qualifying offer for 8 years, which I highly doubt.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Sure he can, but he’d be taking $10mil guaranteed instead of $64-$70mil guaranteed... you make it sounds like he obviously wouldn’t take less than his qualifying offer for 8 years, which I highly doubt.

Free agency is still free agency.

1 year at $10M, followed by 7 years at $10-11M in a market of his choosing would be appealing - and I firmly believe he'd get that offer no problem. He's an elite two way winger who will be hitting free agency at the youngest possible age. It's a good position for him to be in, but yeah - hopefully it doesn't come to that and we get him locked up, but any thoughts of the number being anywhere near $7M are just not realistic.

[ShotDownInFlames12]

Originally Posted by jaydub74

What did Hayes say?


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He just replied “no comment”

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Free agency is still free agency.

1 year at $10M, followed by 7 years at $10-11M in a market of his choosing would be appealing - and I firmly believe he'd get that offer no problem. He's an elite two way winger who will be hitting free agency at the youngest possible age. It's a good position for him to be in, but yeah - hopefully it doesn't come to that and we get him locked up, but any thoughts of the number being anywhere near $7M are just not realistic.

Well I guess we disagree. I don’t think there is a chance he sees $10mil.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Sure he can, but he’d be taking $10mil guaranteed instead of $64-$70mil guaranteed... you make it sounds like he obviously wouldn’t take less than his qualifying offer for 8 years, which I highly doubt.

Tkachuk's Qualifying Offer after his contract ends is $9M.

$64M-$70M puts him at a $8M-$8.75M cap hit over a max 8-year deal.

If he were to take the $9M and walk, he'd need a $7.85M-$8.70M cap hit on a 7-year deal to equal that $64M-$70M.

On his current trajectory, I'd say he'd quite easily eclipse the $8M cap hit mark with a UFA team but probably unlikely he surpasses $9M.

At that point, he's very unlikely to get a better outcome by taking the $9M Qualifying Offer and then walking to UFA then he would just extending in Calgary on a max-term, $8M-$8.75M cap hit.

However, the ability to pick his own destination might be alluring enough to Tkachuk that he decides to take the risk and bet on himself by taking the $9M Qualifying Offer and betting on a great season with no major injuries.

But, with THAT said, the first thing he said during his presser after signing his current contract was that he told Treliving right from the start of negotiations that he wanted to sign long-term but they just couldn't make the numbers work because of the cap-crunch so I have many reasons to believe he actually loves Calgary and wants to be here long term.

[TheScorpion]

Chris Johnston with an inside scoop

https://twitter.com/user/status/1341858162727661568

Ah man, it's now gone.

[activeStick]

Tons of signings today all in one day. Weird.

[Ped]

Not that weird. There's normally a lull, and the flat cap and concerns over if a new season was coming made that worse. Now that things are moving forward and teams have a better idea of where they stand financially, they're starting to make moves again.

[BigErnSalute_16]

Originally Posted by New Era

Draisaitl is >Tkachuk. Which means Tkachuk is not going to get the money he thinks he is in line for. There is going to be a moment of fiscal realignment for salaries, and Tkachuk is going to feel that pinch. Tkachuk talks a big game, but hasn't yet proven to be that big game hunter he likes to make himself out to be. That will impact what he gets paid along with the adjustment.

Draisaitl is not better than Tkachuk. I'm sorry but Draisaitl is literally one of the worst defensive players in the league. People need to stop overvaluing him for only playing half a game.

[Azhouse]

Tkachuk is good and all but his boisterous pledges before/ during playoff competition (with not a lot to back it up) leave me wanting.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by BigErnSalute_16

Draisaitl is not better than Tkachuk. I'm sorry but Draisaitl is literally one of the worst defensive players in the league. People need to stop overvaluing him for only playing half a game.

Hey, I hate the Oilers as much as the next guy but can we seriously sit here and say that this Flames roster wouldn't be vastly different if we had neon Leon instead of hotly debated Sam Bennett?

I'm of the opinion....coming from a top 5 Bennett booster on this board that Draisaitl (scoring champ) would be this teams number 1 center.

I absolutely Loathe the fact the Oilers have Draisaitl. I loathe the fact I think he is a turd burglar and a bit of a chump. But what is undeniable is his talent, skill and production. He is the primary player on an Oilers team that has the supposed best player on the planet McDavid. I know Oil fans personally who belive this. And I think they're right.

Tell me you would care if Draisaitl put up 120 beside Gaudreau but didn't care about defense.

Tkachuk is a good player. Maybe not great but IMO he isnt even close to Draisaitl. I HATE SAYING THAT. And the position thing as always tells us who is more valuable. Centers.

Stupid Oilers. Draisaitl on any other team, literally any other team and nobody here would be slanting him this hard.


Meh. I hate that you made me defend a stupid Oiler. But Neon Leon is legitimately better than chuckles.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by jaydub74

What did Hayes say?


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Why would it matter?

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