2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[FlamesAddiction]

I think it's too early for any team to start thinking of the tank. There are only 2 teams (Vegas and L.A.) that are below 0.500. Detroit is only 3 points out of a playoff spot with a lot of games left to play. I imagine Vegas is still not considering themselves out.

L.A. might be the only team that is remotely looking toward next year, but they don't seem like a good trading partner for us.

[Nelson]

If the Flames were to trade Brodie, I think you'd want to look for a team that needs help on defence to fulfill its goals. The obvious solution is Toronto, especially because Brodie plays RHD. And no, I'm not suggesting Brodie for Nylander. I don't think Toronto would even consider it because Nylander is a great young player. I totally disagree with people dismissing him as a one-way player. At some point, it is irrelevant because of the rates at which he produces points. These talents do not just grow on trees.

The reason I think Toronto is an option for Brodie is Toronto will not necessarily only be looking at RHD in return for Nylander because they will simply want the best return. Therefore, if they trade Nylander, they may still need a RH defenceman. Alternatively, if they sign Nylander, they would also need a RH defenceman. Either way, Brodie is an option.

Who should the Flames target in return for Brodie? I would look at Timothy Liljegren or Kasperi Kapanen. The reason I think Toronto would consider trading Liljegren is simply that they want to make noise in the playoffs now. This would give the Flames:

LHD:
Giordano
Hanifin
Valimaki
Kylington

RHD:
Hamonic
Andersson
Liljegren

In particular, the young group of Hanifin, Valimaki, Kylington, Andersson and Liljegren has loads of potential to give the Flames an elite group for years to come and Kylington and Liljegren could both potentially be ineligible in an expansion draft.

Alternatively, Kasperi Kapanen would give the Flames a young and talented speedster.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think it's too early for any team to start thinking of the tank. There are only 2 teams (Vegas and L.A.) that are below 0.500. Detroit is only 3 points out of a playoff spot with a lot of games left to play. I imagine Vegas is still not considering themselves out.

L.A. might be the only team that is remotely looking toward next year, but they don't seem like a good trading partner for us.

True, but I think if you asked Detroit if they would rather hang around at the bottom of the playoff picture all year and not accomplish much (because they're not going to with that roster) or get a real shot at Hughes or Kakko, the answer would be obvious.

[flamesforcup]

Its way to early to start pencilling in Andersson for Brodie. I know this board loves the shiny new toys but while Andersson has been good he is not ready to replace Brodie. Brodie has been developed by the Flames and i hope he stays with the Flames and re-signs.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

Its way to early to start pencilling in Andersson for Brodie. I know this board loves the shiny new toys but while Andersson has been good he is not ready to replace Brodie. Brodie has been developed by the Flames and i hope he stays with the Flames and re-signs.

That may very well be true and is a very fair point.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

Its way to early to start pencilling in Andersson for Brodie. I know this board loves the shiny new toys but while Andersson has been good he is not ready to replace Brodie. Brodie has been developed by the Flames and i hope he stays with the Flames and re-signs.

Yes he is.

[GranteedEV]

Giordano is finally back to being the Norris caliber Giordano and Brodie is back to being that amazing two-way RD Brodie, and people want to trade Brodie? We have the best top pair in the league and Brodie isn't even 30 yet.

No one - not Hanifin, not Hamonic, not Kylington, not Valimaki, not Andersson makes TJ Brodie expendable. He's the best RD on this team regardless of how coloured peoples' perception is due to one bad year last year.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Giordano is finally back to being the Norris caliber Giordano and Brodie is back to being that amazing two-way RD Brodie, and people want to trade Brodie? We have the best top pair in the league and Brodie isn't even 30 yet.

No one - not Hanifin, not Hamonic, not Kylington, not Valimaki, not Andersson makes TJ Brodie expendable. He's the best RD on this team regardless of how coloured peoples' perception is due to one bad year last year.

Brodie had several years of decline. Pretty much since the start of the 15/16 season.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Brodie had several years of decline. Pretty much since the start of the 15/16 season.

Since the last time he was paired with Gio.

Edit: And/or played the right side.

[dammage79]

My point was that in 5 years time Gio likely close to done. Brodie probably won't be here either. Kylington would be the natural progressive turnover.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Brodie had several years of decline. Pretty much since the start of the 15/16 season.

What are you talking about? 15-16 was by far the best season of his career. He was a top ten defenseman in the NHL that year, and better than Gio that year too, as Gio had taken a significant step back.

He was solid in 16-17 too, except he played with Wideman all year which naturally hurt his numbers because Wideman had been "done" since before that season began. As soon as Wideman was swapped out with Stone, who's still not even a top four D, Brodie's results jumped back to what would be expected of a top defenseman and he was also the QB of a top ten power play in the NHL. And he was probably our best Dman in the 2017 playoffs, all this despite playing the left side which is NOT the side TJ Brodie belongs on.

Brodie had one bad year, 2017-18. We've ad nauseum gone over the many reasons why this season snowballed on him, but there's a reason the team chose to move him back to the top pair and right side rather than move him off the team. And that reason has been on full display all this season outside of one game in Brooklyn. TJ Brodie is a top pair right defenseman, and he hasn't even had puck luck on his side this year.

[David Struch]

Stone and Prout would obviously be expendable but what about after that?

This is assuming Kylington is ready for a permanent spot on the Flames blueline.

I guess we then look at moving Hamonic over Hanifin?

Giordano - Brodie
Hanifin - Andersson
Valimaki - Kylington (one off wing which is fine on a 3rd pairing)

And wasn't it Hamonic's wish to stay on a Western Team?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Stone and Prout would obviously be expendable but what about after that?

This is assuming Kylington is ready for a permanent spot on the Flames blueline.

I guess we then look at moving Hamonic over Hanifin?

Giordano - Brodie
Hanifin - Andersson
Valimaki - Kylington (one off wing which is fine on a 3rd pairing)

And wasn't it Hamonic's wish to stay on a Western Team?

Let's see how this shakes out. You never know who has a season ending injury, just ask Andrej Sekera in Edmonton. You never know who loses all their awareness, just ask Oskar Klefbom in Edmonton. You never know who loses all their confidence, just ask Justin Schultz about his time in Edmonton. You never know who follows up a good year with a not-so-good one, just as Darnell Nurse in Edmonton. As far as I'm concerned we have four NHL LD and four NHL RD, and the only one who's truly expendable is Stone because he's making 3.5 million to sit in the press box.

It's very possible random chance causes the pieces to fall into place, as it seems to have for Rittich's seeming ascension (Which required Lack and now Smith to play brutal hockey).

[sureLoss]

HNIC:

nobody is trying harder to make move than Jim Rutherford

Stone and Duchene will want significant signing bonuses on their next contracts but Kypreos is not sure if Melnyk can or is willing to pay those out
2nd time Duchene's camp and Sens have met. No indication deal is close, but positive sign there is still ongoing discussions

Habs looking to move a d-man. They have a logjam when Weber comes back

Leafs don't feel like they need to move Nylander before Dec 1st. Comfortable with him sitting out a year if necesscary
Other teams think they can get Nylander to sign for closer to $7 mil than the previously rumored $8 million ask. And those teams will be comfortable paying that.

NHL wants more hitting.
GMs presented with video. NHL wanted to send out message of what was acceptable and that not because players are not sure what is clean, penalized, or suspendable anymore
They also don't want officials to overreact. Cited the Cole hit on Jankowski as an example of officials overreacting

GMs told that Seattle's entry in the league could be 2020 or 2021
Seattle ownership group very confident they could get arena ready in time for October 2020

[Samonadreau]

Is the next CBA due in 21?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Is the next CBA due in 21?

As of right now, the NHL or the NHLPA has the right to end the current CBA in the 2020/21 season. They do this by exercising a clause in September 2019.

There has been some talk that the September 2019 deadline and the ending in 20/21 season could be moved if the NHL and NHLPA agree to push them back so that the World Cup can be held in 2020 without a lockout immediately following it.

[savardandjokinen]

Dion Phaneuf is playing his 1000th game tonight

[Samonadreau]

A lockout could have big implications on expansion and the players could have a ton of leverage if they are the same season/offseason

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

What are you talking about? 15-16 was by far the best season of his career. He was a top ten defenseman in the NHL that year, and better than Gio that year too, as Gio had taken a significant step back.

He was solid in 16-17 too, except he played with Wideman all year which naturally hurt his numbers because Wideman had been "done" since before that season began. As soon as Wideman was swapped out with Stone, who's still not even a top four D, Brodie's results jumped back to what would be expected of a top defenseman and he was also the QB of a top ten power play in the NHL. And he was probably our best Dman in the 2017 playoffs, all this despite playing the left side which is NOT the side TJ Brodie belongs on.

Brodie had one bad year, 2017-18. We've ad nauseum gone over the many reasons why this season snowballed on him, but there's a reason the team chose to move him back to the top pair and right side rather than move him off the team. And that reason has been on full display all this season outside of one game in Brooklyn. TJ Brodie is a top pair right defenseman, and he hasn't even had puck luck on his side this year.

https://theathletic.com/361542/2018/...aking-the-nhl/

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by TOfan

https://theathletic.com/361542/2018/...aking-the-nhl/

You know how we both know that's revisionist history? This was an article written by the same damn guy in July 2016

Most probably consider it to be Sean Monahan or Johnny Gaudreau. Maybe some are waiting for Sam Bennett or Matthew Tkachuk to become the icon of a new era.


I contend it’s T.J. Brodie.



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Since then, Brodie has never stopped getting better.


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I don’t know if Brodie will ever get a shot at the Norris, but there’s no question he has established himself as a cornerstone defender on the Flames. He remains perhaps one of the most underrated players in the league and boasts one of the best value contracts around. He will be a key to any success the Flames find in the post-Iginla epoch.

How could a guy "on the decline" during the 2015-16 season illicit such a poetic waxing?


Because he wasn't. 2015-16 was the best season of his career. Kent Wilson just forgot reality when he started using stats incorrectly.