Come on now. If it isn't clearly tampered elections from foreign sources, to a bizarre electoral system where the person with the most votes lost the election, to a system designed to benefit the rich in an ever-increasing fashion, to a system which now has more similarities to a broken class paradigm and crumbling institutions... I think you know what I am getting at.
Two seconds onto wikipedia, under the word "democracy"... let's see:
"According to political scientist Larry Diamond, democracy consists of four key elements: (a) A political system for choosing and replacing the government through free and fair elections; (b) The active participation of the people, as citizens, in politics and civic life; (c) Protection of the human rights of all citizens, and (d) A rule of law, in which the laws and procedures apply equally to all citizens.[4]"
-Political system through free and fair elections? Nope.
-Active participation of people, as citizens in politics and civic life? Debateable, but fine I'll give them this one.
-Protection of human rights of all citizens? Nope.
-Rule of law, in which laws and procedures apply equally to all citizens? Clearly not.
The US is the most hypocritical nation on Earth. They claim they're capitalists, then they bail out GM. They claim their the land of the free, they're not. They claim to have human rights, and the violate that. They claim to be above corruption and bribery, and yet hundreds of thousands are still murdered with gun violence when the majority of people want gun restrictions. Can't get done.
It's broken, and it sure as #### isn't "democratic"- at least a functioning one based on what the founding fathers envisioned.
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Come on now. If it isn't clearly tampered elections from foreign sources, to a bizarre electoral system where the person with the most votes lost the election, to a system designed to benefit the rich in an ever-increasing fashion, to a system which now has more similarities to a broken class paradigm and crumbling institutions... I think you know what I am getting at.
Two seconds onto wikipedia, under the word "democracy"... let's see:
"According to political scientist Larry Diamond, democracy consists of four key elements: (a) A political system for choosing and replacing the government through free and fair elections; (b) The active participation of the people, as citizens, in politics and civic life; (c) Protection of the human rights of all citizens, and (d) A rule of law, in which the laws and procedures apply equally to all citizens.[4]"
-Political system through free and fair elections? Nope.
-Active participation of people, as citizens in politics and civic life? Debateable, but fine I'll give them this one.
-Protection of human rights of all citizens? Nope.
-Rule of law, in which laws and procedures apply equally to all citizens? Clearly not.
The US is the most hypocritical nation on Earth. They claim they're capitalists, then they bail out GM. They claim their the land of the free, they're not. They claim to have human rights, and the violate that. They claim to be above corruption and bribery, and yet hundreds of thousands are still murdered with gun violence when the majority of people want gun restrictions. Can't get done.
It's broken, and it sure as #### isn't "democratic"- at least a functioning one based on what the founding fathers envisioned.
I don't know about all that, the founding fathers envisioned a democracy where wealthy white landowning males selected the government. I think the democracy they envisioned is functioning quite well.
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I don't know about all that, the founding fathers envisioned a democracy where wealthy white landowning males selected the government. I think the democratic republic they envisioned is functioning quite well.
haha well that sure isn't how the culture, media or history books would like it to be renowned for, that's for sure.
T_D isn't nearly as powerful as they like to think it is. There are a large number of bots upvoting everything, and making fake posts full of "MAGA" and "Lock her up!"
They've started some petitions on whitehouse.gov that have gone nowhere. This one from the other day has barely 8,000 signatures.
If they really had 400,000 active users that wouldn't happen. It was funny reading posts by confused T_Ders who couldn't understand why it wasn't blowing up.
Heard a good question on a podcast today.. If Obama had fired Comey and then went on the news and told Lester Holt about firing him "I said to myself, I said 'you know, this Email thing with Clinton and Emails is a made-up story," Republicans would have started impeachment proceedings before the next commercial break was over.
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Why, so he can perjure himself and face no consequences at all?
The number of things Trump has already done that are illegal, unconstitutional, and/or morally bankrupt since taking office with no repercussions at all should be a pretty clear indication that the GOP and its interests *are* the law at this point.
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Why, so he can perjure himself and face no consequences at all?
The number of things Trump has already done that are illegal, unconstitutional, and/or morally bankrupt since taking office with no repercussions at all should be a pretty clear indication that the GOP and its interests *are* the law at this point.
And really, it's not likely that a president can be tried for crime by anyone other than Congress. So unless the GOP sees bucking Trump as good for their future, nothing is going to happen
Come on now. If it isn't clearly tampered elections from foreign sources, to a bizarre electoral system where the person with the most votes lost the election, to a system designed to benefit the rich in an ever-increasing fashion, to a system which now has more similarities to a broken class paradigm and crumbling institutions... I think you know what I am getting at.
Ah, so now you're beginning to understand my extremely jaded perspective on American democracy. You can argue that both parties are bad, but one is clearly the greater evil in the destructive forces behind the failure of democracy in the United States. There are many issues that I lean more right on than I do left, but I just cannot find myself supporting an ideology that is so focused on the enrichment of the few at the expense of the many.
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Two seconds onto wikipedia, under the word "democracy"... let's see:
"According to political scientist Larry Diamond, democracy consists of four key elements: (a) A political system for choosing and replacing the government through free and fair elections; (b) The active participation of the people, as citizens, in politics and civic life; (c) Protection of the human rights of all citizens, and (d) A rule of law, in which the laws and procedures apply equally to all citizens.[4]"
You must certainly understand that American democracy is substantially different than the pure form of democracy this definition addresses. It always has, and always will be, different from other forms of democracy because this is the way the institutions are established.
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-Political system through free and fair elections? Nope.
-Active participation of people, as citizens in politics and civic life? Debateable, but fine I'll give them this one.
-Protection of human rights of all citizens? Nope.
-Rule of law, in which laws and procedures apply equally to all citizens? Clearly not.
Here's a concept for you to try and wrap your head around. I theorize there are three specific entities which assert influence and control over the political process. The surface state is that which the citizens have influence over. The deep state is where the true seat of power resides, hidden in the think tanks, special interests, and their rich benefactors, residing in Washington. The dark state is that which is obscured from public view, the many agencies which provide intelligence and control the real power in geo-politics.
The oppression of which you speak is driven by the separation of citizens rather than the unification of all people. This is by design, and been that way as a result of the power vacuum created by the deep state, and supported by the dark state. The surface is mostly political theatre, but still acts as a possible control mechanism over both other states, if the people assume control. The Republicans have abdicated their role and responsibility as one of those controls, and they have sold their soul to the deep state.
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The US is the most hypocritical nation on Earth. They claim they're capitalists, then they bail out GM. They claim their the land of the free, they're not. They claim to have human rights, and the violate that. They claim to be above corruption and bribery, and yet hundreds of thousands are still murdered with gun violence when the majority of people want gun restrictions. Can't get done.
You will get no argument from me on these comments. The deep state is the one which drives policy and has created this mess. They operate on the fringes of the democratic process and beyond the restrictions of the constitution. They design these policies to be restrictive, to steal away the freedoms of people, but wrap them in the flag and with patriotic sounding names that the brainwashed masses will blindly support.
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It's broken, and it sure as #### isn't "democratic"- at least a functioning one based on what the founding fathers envisioned.
It isn't the traditional form of democracy, but it is the American form of democracy. Yes, its mostly bull####, but it is the system that we Americans have to live under and learn to work in our favor. The secret to winning a battle against the deep and dark states is to make them war against each other, while the people assume control over the surface state. The cost of running for office pretty much makes this strategy impossible to achieve.
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Come on now. If it isn't clearly tampered elections from foreign sources, to a bizarre electoral system where the person with the most votes lost the election, to a system designed to benefit the rich in an ever-increasing fashion, to a system which now has more similarities to a broken class paradigm and crumbling institutions... I think you know what I am getting at.
Two seconds onto wikipedia, under the word "democracy"... let's see:
"According to political scientist Larry Diamond, democracy consists of four key elements: (a) A political system for choosing and replacing the government through free and fair elections; (b) The active participation of the people, as citizens, in politics and civic life; (c) Protection of the human rights of all citizens, and (d) A rule of law, in which the laws and procedures apply equally to all citizens.[4]"
-Political system through free and fair elections? Nope.
-Active participation of people, as citizens in politics and civic life? Debateable, but fine I'll give them this one.
-Protection of human rights of all citizens? Nope.
-Rule of law, in which laws and procedures apply equally to all citizens? Clearly not.
The US is the most hypocritical nation on Earth. They claim they're capitalists, then they bail out GM. They claim their the land of the free, they're not. They claim to have human rights, and the violate that. They claim to be above corruption and bribery, and yet hundreds of thousands are still murdered with gun violence when the majority of people want gun restrictions. Can't get done.
It's broken, and it sure as #### isn't "democratic"- at least a functioning one based on what the founding fathers envisioned.
I "liked" your post and I can't stand Trump but the popular vote results mean nothing, Trump had already crushed Clinton by the time California mattered. He was never going to win that state and never bothered to even try during the campaign.
If you take California completely out Trump wins the popular vote by over a million votes in the other 49 states.
When you really look at it, Electoral vote in a screwed up separated country like the USA is the only fair way to vote in a president, otherwise only New York State and California voters would matter. And of course the GOP would be gone for sure.
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Your contention is that it is a good system because the most populous and economically powerful state's votes were irrelevant in a close election?
If the presidency was determined by popular vote, the Republicans would be forced to present different policies and candidates for president. That they can win with less votes than their single opponent is one of the main causes of political dysfunction in America, not a strength of the system.
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When you really look at it, Electoral vote in a screwed up separated country like the USA is the only fair way to vote in a president, otherwise only New York State and California voters would matter. And of course the GOP would be gone for sure.
When you really look at it, if those two states, which most GOPers absolutely hate, were not in America, then America's economy would collapse. That bat#### Florida continues to be one of the only three to five states in Murica that decide the election is not a good thing.
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Why, so he can perjure himself and face no consequences at all?
The number of things Trump has already done that are illegal, unconstitutional, and/or morally bankrupt since taking office with no repercussions at all should be a pretty clear indication that the GOP and its interests *are* the law at this point.
For a few reasons, but probably the best being, I want to see him answer questions delivered by people that are infinitely smarter than he is. The possibility of him fking up is Yuge.
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