2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[doctajones428]

I hate to sound like a brephobiacist, but you gu... I mean beings, are acting like a bunch of babies

[Freddy]

Oh great, now we're offending babies here....wait...

[Cycling76er]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Jeez, are we still talking about this? We could be talking about where Dennis Wideman will sign!

I'm predicting he'll be signing at the bottom of the legal document that outlines the terms of his settlement with Don Henderson.

/tongueincheek

[Moderator]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Oh great, now we're offending babies here....wait...

This is a final warning to get this thread back on track.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

eberle has a 6 million cap hit for two more years though... shultz was dealt on an expiring contract...

i think Eberle might be of interest for someone, but he isn't going to fetch a 3rd, imo, with that kind of cap hit...the Oilers would have to eat some of that contract or take on a bad contract coming back...

Eberle is worth more than a 3rd. Wishful thinking on your part that he'd be worth so little

[PepsiFree]

Yeah, Eberle may not do a whole lot outside of put the puck in the net, but putting the puck in the net is one of the most valuable things a player can do. Especially if he does it to the tune of 50~ points a year.

The contract isn't great because of how one-dimensional he is, but I could see a mid-late 1st going, or a roster player and a 2nd or 3rd to make the cap balance. Teams like Carolina, Florida, Ottawa, Buffalo, and Detroit are all out-of-conference teams that could use an offensive boost.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Eberle is worth more than a 3rd. Wishful thinking on your part that he'd be worth so little

I actually think a 3rd, by itself, is too much value - could the Oilers really get away with unloading a $6M under-achiever, without taking salary back?

I think there will need to be $3.5-$5M coming back the Oilers way in the form of an under-achieving middle-six forward or 5/6 Dman, along with that 3rd round pick.

[Aarongavey]

A 6 million dollar Phil Kessel, A 2nd round pick, and 2 former 1st round picks fetched a 1st, a former 1st, and a 3rd and a cap dump

Kessel had averaged over the previous 4 years (pro rating the lockout year) 33 goals and 45 assists for an average of 78 points a year

Eberle who is also 6 million a year has averaged 24 goals and 32 assists a year for 56 points.

Hard to imagine Eberle getting more than Kessel which sort worked out to a 1st round pick and a couple prospects swapping back and forth. If he gets more than that someone way overpaid and he should be worth less.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Yeah, Eberle may not do a whole lot outside of put the puck in the net, but putting the puck in the net is one of the most valuable things a player can do. Especially if he does it to the tune of 50~ points a year.

The contract isn't great because of how one-dimensional he is, but I could see a mid-late 1st going, or a roster player and a 2nd or 3rd to make the cap balance. Teams like Carolina, Florida, Ottawa, Buffalo, and Detroit are all out-of-conference teams that could use an offensive boost.

I get your point, but Florida would have scored a lot more had Huberdeau played more than the 30 games he did down the stretch. Barkov was also out for a couple long stretches this year too. The secondary scoring dried up as Smith and Jokinen had horrible first halves. Marchessault did have a career year scoring 30, and he might be good for 20 a year going forward if he gets ice time.

However, with Jagr reportedly moving on from the Panthers, I think there's a spot on the RW in the top 6 for the Panthers. I honestly wouldn't mind Eberle with Barkov and Huberdeau, as those two can do a lot of the heavy lifting on the cycle and defensively (Barkov especially), leaving Eberle to be the goal scorer. Both Barkov and Huberdeau are better playmakers than goal scorers, but they can do that too.

The other thing is the Panthers have the cap space to add Eberle, but then only have $4 million to re-sign either Petrovic or Pysyk (whoever doesn't get claimed) and any other players to fill out the roster. Plus, Eberle is signed for this year and next, putting another damper on him.

However, just for a look, this would be a projected lineup (Eberle can move up or down the lineup depending on combinations):

Huberdeau-Barkov-Eberle
Smith-Trocheck-Marchessault/Jokinen
Marchessault/Jokinen-Bjugstad-Sceviour
Malgin-McKenzie-Sgarbossa

Ekblad-Yandle
Matheson-Demers
Petrovic/Pysyk (whoever isn't claimed)-McCoshen

Luongo-Reimer

It's not a bad lineup, and Eberle fills a significant hole on the right side. I'm not entirely against this idea.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Offers does imply real demand.

That's why people make offers to acquire something... because there is demand. If there's no demand, there are no offers.

Thank you for yet another literal post, Mr Nuance.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Thank you for yet another literal post, Mr Nuance.

Sorry, didn't mean to step on your brilliant response that "offers doesn't mean good offers" which was a refute of something literally nobody was claiming and everybody knows anyway

Anyways, there is demand for Eberle, of course their is. He's a winger capable of regularly putting up 50+ points. The hardest part is going to fit him under the cap, considering that's probably just a hair above what he would get as a UFA and not all teams would be happy to pay it. Or maybe in line, hard to say.

[Snuffleupagus]

One dimensional $6m wingers like Eberle don't grow on trees

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Sorry, didn't mean to step on your brilliant response that "offers doesn't mean good offers" which was a refute of something literally nobody was claiming and everybody knows anyway

Anyways, there is demand for Eberle, of course their is. He's a winger capable of regularly putting up 50+ points. The hardest part is going to fit him under the cap, considering that's probably just a hair above what he would get as a UFA and not all teams would be happy to pay it. Or maybe in line, hard to say.

I doubt there is much of a market for Eberle. When Frolik was on the market, coming off back to back 42 point seasons he got 4.3 million a year. Eberle has averaged 49 points a season over the last 2 years. The difference in their defensive games is similar to the difference between Stajan and Crosby offensively. I am not sure that extra 7 points a year, when factoring in the huge defensive liability is worth 1.7 million a year on the open market.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I doubt there is much of a market for Eberle. When Frolik was on the market, coming off back to back 42 point seasons he got 4.3 million a year. Eberle has averaged 49 points a season over the last 2 years. The difference in their defensive games is similar to the difference between Stajan and Crosby offensively. I am not sure that extra 7 points a year, when factoring in the huge defensive liability is worth 1.7 million a year on the open market.

That's not apples to apples though.

Eberle scored 49 in 69 games two seasons ago, for a 58 point pace. Before this year he'd been around the 60 point mark/pace for 4 straight years. Now I'm not saying he's some incredible offensive weapon, but his lowest point total is essentially equivalent to Frolik's career high (not including the locked shortened season, where Eberle only scored 37 points - 27 more than Frolik in those 45~ games).

Offensive is valued more highly than defence for forwards in the open market (and defencemen, probably). He's fairly one dimensional, but Cali's example of his market is a good one: on a line where you've got two players who can cover Eberle's mistakes (like Florida), you take him over Frolik 10/10 times.

Oshie seems like a better (closer) comparable. As a UFA he's probably looking at between 5.5 and 6.5 per for much less production over the last 4 years than Eberle and not being a huge presence defensively (I don't think?).

[Weitz]

The difference being if you want a guy to score 25+ goals for you and you want To go the UFA route you will pay close to $6 million with term. Eberle only has 2 years left is 14 in goals and 12th in points for RW's over the last 3 years.

You are kidding yourself if you think the Oilers have to pay a 2nd and eberle to get a 3rd

[MarkGio]

If Eberle was a free agent this summer he'd command 6x6 contract +/- 1milllion and 2 years term.

If Brouwer gets 4.5 x 4yrs and he's borderline useless, then surely Eberle has value. People need to remember David Clarkson, Dave Bolland, and the plethora of lousy contracts handed out each year.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

If Eberle was a free agent this summer he'd command 6x6 contract +/- 1milllion and 2 years term.

If Brouwer gets 4.5 x 4yrs and he's borderline useless, then surely Eberle has value. People need to remember David Clarkson, Dave Bolland, and the plethora of lousy contracts handed out each year.

What's a 6x6 contract at 2 years term?

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

What's a 6x6 contract at 2 years term?

You don't know what +/- means? Seriously?

A 6X6 contract +/- 1mill & 2yrs means the contract will range between 5 million X 4 years to 7 million at 8 years. But I don't think 8 year contracts are allowed anymore.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

You don't know what +/- means? Seriously?

A 6X6 contract +/- 1mill & 2yrs means the contract will range between 5 million X 4 years to 7 million at 8 years. But I don't think 8 year contracts are allowed anymore.

Haha, wow. Okay, I get it now, but you could have made that a lot clearer by not referencing an already existing deal. It sounded like you were saying 6x6 contract except for only two years.

Also, you're predicting anywhere from $20mil to $56mil on his next contract?

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Weitz

The difference being if you want a guy to score 25+ goals for you and you want To go the UFA route you will pay close to $6 million with term. Eberle only has 2 years left is 14 in goals and 12th in points for RW's over the last 3 years.

You are kidding yourself if you think the Oilers have to pay a 2nd and eberle to get a 3rd

Typically, I would agree with your assertion.

However, his perimeter play that, more than a few times, transformed him into full fledged "scaredy cat" has to be taken into consideration.

As an example, when he bailed out TWICE on one of the goals that contributed greatly to the miraculous disappearance of the 3 goal advantage in the final 3 minutes of the 5th? Game v. Ducks...that will not endear him to many GMs.

They don't want 5 or 6 mil dollar top 2 line players who play scared.