The Legend of Sam Bennett

[DeluxeMoustache]

And speaking of making things up, the year he got traded, Bennett's most minutes were with Monahan and Gaudreau. Almost twice as much as with Lucic and Dube or Backlund and Leivo. https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/players/sam-bennett

Good god, man. That is a technically correct but pretty disingenuous statement

100 minutes with Johnny and Monny (4 gf, 1 ga)
60 with Lucic and Dube (two gems of humans)
48 with Leivo and Ryan
38 with Backlund and Leivo
29 with Backlund and Mangiapane
19 with Nordstrom and Backlund
19 with Lucic and Backlund
18 with Nordstrom and Ryan
And so on…


You think this actually helps your case? That my friend is a blender

Yeah he spent the most time with them out of any combination, but that’s just because the other 80 percent of his time was pure blender and no other combination of three players was set

Pure ####ing chaos, man

That’s not putting a guy in a position to succeed. It is quite the opposite

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Fla should keep Bennett and trade Tkachuk.

I would take Bennett over Tkachuk TODAY if given the choice and I could only pick one

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Definitely Sam Bennett played better when he got to Florida, so was Sam Reinhardt. Florida is doing something that making these players believe in their abilities. I believe Calgary is on the right track under Craig Conroy, they've made some changes, they have a leadership group to build up the young guys, and in the interviews they keep talking about how they believe in each other. I believe they're taking on a bit of the Florida model. Ryan Lomberg, played under the Florida I am sure they have talked about it.

blaming the player doesn't do anything for the Calgary Flames, they're the ones that need to improve.

Blaming just the Flames and not giving any responsibility to an individual player is just innaccurate, that's all. And some of it was happenstance and where the Flames had players at the time (Bennett just had a hard time getting past Backlund, Lindholm and Monahan for a centre spot). But sure, the Flames likely have the bulk of it, and you are correct that nothing about Bennett has anything to do with making the Flames better now. It's just thatI dislike the "all or nothing" approach to this analysis some seem to have.

That said, there are young players who developed very well in Calgary no matter who was coaching - Mangiapane, Coronato, Zary, Andersson, Ferland, Bahl and, of course, Gaudreau and Monahan. And Ward seems to do well with young players, so that's good.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Definitely Sam Bennett played better when he got to Florida, so has Sam Reinhardt. Florida is doing something that making these players believe in their abilities. I believe Calgary is on the right track under Craig Conroy, they've made some changes, they have a leadership group to build up the young guys, and in the interviews they keep talking about how they believe in each other. I believe they're taking on a bit of the Florida model. Ryan Lomberg, played under the Florida model I am sure they have talked about it.

Blaming the player doesn't do anything for the Calgary Flames, they're the ones that need to improve.

I also don't think we can understate the pressure in Calgary, especially being the franchises highest ever draft pick vs. Florida.

"oh you play hockey for a living? neato"

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Good god, man. That is a technically correct but pretty disingenuous statement

100 minutes with Johnny and Monny (4 gf, 1 ga)
60 with Lucic and Dube (two gems of humans)
48 with Leivo and Ryan
38 with Backlund and Leivo
29 with Backlund and Mangiapane
19 with Nordstrom and Backlund
19 with Lucic and Backlund
18 with Nordstrom and Ryan
And so on…


You think this actually helps your case? That my friend is a blender

Yeah he spent the most time with them out of any combination, but that’s just because the other 80 percent of his time was pure blender and no other combination of three players was set

Pure ####ing chaos, man

That’s not putting a guy in a position to succeed. It is quite the opposite

I don't think you know what my case is.

[AustinL_NHL]

Bennett slept with his gf

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't think you know what my case is.

Yes it is simple. You are saying the guy was given opportunity and didn’t do enough with it; it’s on him as well as the team

I’m saying that you are really overstating the opportunity he was given, it was pretty unstable, and he wasn’t put in a position to succeed

When Lindholm was asked about a move to C he demanded stability, I believe the ask was 20 games

You are pointing to an equivalent of maybe 6 games tops as some great opportunity

It’s silly

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Bennett slept with his gf

Of course Bennett slept with his girlfriend.

[Shazam]

Good grief.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Yes it is simple. You are saying the guy was given opportunity and didn’t do enough with it; it’s on him as well as the team

I’m saying that you are really overstating the opportunity he was given, it was pretty unstable, and he wasn’t put in a position to succeed

When Lindholm was asked about a move to C he demanded stability, I believe the ask was 20 games

You are pointing to an equivalent of maybe 6 games tops as some great opportunity

It’s silly

6 games tops? Come on now.

Yes, the blender was bad. Which line do you propose he should have been on permanently (especially considering the other half of everyone's argument is that he should have been slotted at centre).

Part of the problem, and the advantage Fla had, was that he wasn't good enough for a top line role, and he was bad at that point defensively, so he wasn't a fit for Backlund's line. In Florida, at the time of the trade, he benefited from the top line being the shutdown line as well, so he neatly fit onto a secondary scoring line, with an elite offensive player.

[Flamesfan05]

I don’t know. I remembered Bennett had a good playoff and everyone was eager for the new season and they decided to go with Derek Ryan and made him a 4th line winger

That’s pretty ####ed up

[CliffFletcher]

You can’t assume that a player who blossoms on another team would have done the same if he stayed - even with a different coach, system, or linemates. Sometimes a total reset is necessary to make that jump. Eric Duhatschek used to talk about this all time.

[Flamesfan05]

Like who?

It’s not very common to go from a ‘bust’ to a core player on a Stanley Cup

You can probably find one but it’s extremely rare

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Like who?

It’s not very common to go from a ‘bust’ to a core player on a Stanley Cup

You can probably find one but it’s extremely rare

Forsling? not a high pick but 2 teams gave him away and now he is the #1D on the Stanley Cup winners
Reinhart lol

Panthers have 3

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

You can’t assume that a player who blossoms on another team would have done the same if he stayed - even with a different coach, system, or linemates. Sometimes a total reset is necessary to make that jump. Eric Duhatschek used to talk about this all time.

That lets Tre off the hook. Unacceptable haha

[dino7c]

Tre gets at least 70% of the blame...which is hilarious because the media thinks he is going to try and sign Bennett to some massive deal now.

I notice they don't bring that trade up much anymore now that he is in Toronto

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Like who?

It’s not very common to go from a ‘bust’ to a core player on a Stanley Cup

You can probably find one but it’s extremely rare

Of course it's rare. But there are other examples like Nichushkin or Stephenson. It just worked out for Bennett, and good for him.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Like who?

It’s not very common to go from a ‘bust’ to a core player on a Stanley Cup

You can probably find one but it’s extremely rare

Lots. Verhaeghe and Forsling on Florida. Karlsson with Vegas (25 pts with Columbus, 78 his first season with Vegas). Nikushkin from Dallas to Colorado. That’s just the last few years.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Tre gets at least 70% of the blame...which is hilarious because the media thinks he is going to try and sign Bennett to some massive deal now.

I notice they don't bring that trade up much anymore now that he is in Toronto

Absolutely I find it hilarious, seeing how Tre pretty much co built the Florida roster (through mismanagement in Calgary) that eliminated Toronto … leading to calls for change in Toronto… which will be led by Treliving

I wish I could be as bad at my job and be rewarded for it

[midniteowl]

Wait till next off season McDiver signs with the Leafs and everybody saying it's because of Treliving's brilliant play.


Or the Treliving's special when McDiver signs with somebody else, and report says Toronto was in till the end.