2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[traptor]

Yakemchuk screams Phaneuf 2.0.

Would we be happy with that a t #9 this draft?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by traptor

Yakemchuk screams Phaneuf 2.0.

Would we be happy with that a t #9 this draft?

Dion played over 1,000 NHL games.
Any pick that gets you a player of that caliber at #9 is fantastic.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Dion played over 1,000 NHL games.
Any pick that gets you a player of that caliber at #9 is fantastic.

Trevor Lewis is at 974 GP. I wouldn't want to draft lewis 2.0 at #9.

[dissentowner]

I think there are some good quality D prospects in the later part of the 1st round and the next two rounds as well. I cannot see the Flames passing on Tij for numerous reasons but if he is still there I would go Catton if we get pick #10. Getting both Iginla and Catton out of this draft would be huge.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Yakemchuk is an older kid and I'd be concerned about his skill translating. He has a size and reach advantage in junior that allows for some sick looking dangles, but those advantages disappear at the NHL level. I'm not sure those impressive dangles are going to happen against men his size and guys that play at a higher tempo. His shot doesn't look that great and he seems to have some challenges with positioning and playing on the defensive side of the puck. Seems a risky pick.

He scored over thirty and was over a point a game on a garbage team? I would be more concerned with parehks dangles and mediocre defense not translating as yak will be at minimum a bottom pair. If parehks offense doesn’t translate he will head to russia. Yak has size, hands , skating is average will improve, Good shot long and short and he didnt get a point a game because he cant see the ice?

I have yak ahead of parehk no question.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Fan69

He scored over thirty and was over a point a game on a garbage team? I would be more concerned with parehks dangles and mediocre defense not translating as yak will be at minimum a bottom pair. If parehks offense doesn’t translate he will head to russia. Yak has size, hands , skating is average will improve, Good shot long and short and he didnt get a point a game because he cant see the ice?

I have yak ahead of parehk no question.

I have it the opposite way. If Parekh hits his ceiling he is going to be the best offensive D man in hockey. If he hits his floor he is still a 50-60 point PP specialist. His hockey IQ and skill is definitely going to translate to the NHL, he is special.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Yakemchuk is an older kid and I'd be concerned about his skill translating. He has a size and reach advantage in junior that allows for some sick looking dangles, but those advantages disappear at the NHL level. I'm not sure those impressive dangles are going to happen against men his size and guys that play at a higher tempo. His shot doesn't look that great and he seems to have some challenges with positioning and playing on the defensive side of the puck. Seems a risky pick.

People don't mention this enough, Yakemchuk's birthday was 2 weeks away from being in last years draft, where would he have been ranked last year, 2nd-3rd round maybe? certainly not top 10.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I have it the opposite way. If Parekh hits his ceiling he is going to be the best offensive D man in hockey. If he hits his floor he is still a 50-60 point PP specialist. His hockey IQ and skill is definitely going to translate to the NHL, he is special.

Maybe.

I have this weird thing i want my defence guys to actually play some defence. If parehk get 70 points and is plus two and the other guy has 50 and is plus fifteen i will take the second guy. Parehk might be bouchard all offense works in the right situations.

For a weak draft the expectations are pretty high.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Maybe.

I have this weird thing i want my defence guys to actually play some defence. If parehk get 70 points and is plus two and the other guy has 50 and is plus fifteen i will take the second guy. Parehk might be bouchard all offense works in the right situations.

For a weak draft the expectations are pretty high.

I think people don't realize that Parakh is actually an ok defender in his own zone, he just isn't physical. He doesn't lead his team to a Memorial Cup if he couldn't defend.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Maybe.

I have this weird thing i want my defence guys to actually play some defence. If parehk get 70 points and is plus two and the other guy has 50 and is plus fifteen i will take the second guy. Parehk might be bouchard all offense works in the right situations.

For a weak draft the expectations are pretty high.

Weird you're bringing up +/- stats

Zayne Parekh = +39

Carter Yakemchuk = -6

Yakemchuk has never been a + player and is -33 career in junior. Parekh has never been a - player at +42

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Fan69

He scored over thirty and was over a point a game on a garbage team? I would be more concerned with parehks dangles and mediocre defense not translating as yak will be at minimum a bottom pair. If parehks offense doesn’t translate he will head to russia. Yak has size, hands , skating is average will improve, Good shot long and short and he didnt get a point a game because he cant see the ice?

I have yak ahead of parehk no question.

Parehk is a way better prospect IMO. His skating is excellent and a skill Yakemchuk will struggle to catch up to. ZP plays the game at a tempo that places him above his peers. His vision and puck movement is one of the best in the draft. His hands are also top shelf, being one of the top passers for blueliners. His shot is not his strength, but superior to Yakemchuk's at this point. What is lacking is the big bomb from the point, but it is accurate and finds the goal with regularity. The only advantage Yakemchuk really has working for him is his size. Weird comment about Parehk's defense considering he was +39, 11th best in the OHL, and 5th for defensemen. I can't see Yakemchuk being taken ahead of Parehk.

[TheScorpion]

Garrioch says the Flames and Senators have had multiple conversations on Markstrom

https://ottawacitizen.com/ottawa-sen...ed-goaltending

7 and Korpisalo for Markstrom and 28 pls

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Parehk is a way better prospect IMO. His skating is excellent and a skill Yakemchuk will struggle to catch up to. ZP plays the game at a tempo that places him above his peers. His vision and puck movement is one of the best in the draft. His hands are also top shelf, being one of the top passers for blueliners. His shot is not his strength, but superior to Yakemchuk's at this point. What is lacking is the big bomb from the point, but it is accurate and finds the goal with regularity. The only advantage Yakemchuk really has working for him is his size. Weird comment about Parehk's defense considering he was +39, 11th best in the OHL, and 5th for defensemen. I can't see Yakemchuk being taken ahead of Parehk.

Well based in rumours it seems flames are after yak not parehk but this draft will be interesting no matter how it shakes out.

[Fan69]

Now dont get me wrong would i be disappointed if we pick parehk? Nope. If our scouts say thats the guy i will await with baited breath to see how it plays out. Kids sn offensive juggernaut no question.

Great thing about this draft its hard to really go wrong where we-are multiple really good prospects in our range.

[yourbestfriend]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

People don't mention this enough, Yakemchuk's birthday was 2 weeks away from being in last years draft, where would he have been ranked last year, 2nd-3rd round maybe? certainly not top 10.

I have no comment on him as a player, but I would disagree with the general premise of late birthday players.
Every player develops differently and I don't think him being born 2 weeks earlier really makes that big of a difference. Had he been drafted last year, he most likely still would of been playing junior this year. I actually think it's beneficial when scouting players with late birthdays. The scouts get an additional year of draft data and progression when looking at players from the same class.

A good example we're all familiar with is Tkachuk. He's a December birthday and played on a team with a 4th OA Marner and 2nd rounder Dvorak. Don't think anybody cared that he had a late birthday when we drafted him. Same thing with Yakemchuk, the Flames drafting/not drafting him will have nothing to do with him having a late birthday.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Garrioch says the Flames and Senators have had multiple conversations on Markstrom

https://ottawacitizen.com/ottawa-sen...ed-goaltending

7 and Korpisalo for Markstrom and 28 pls

Flames retain on Markstrom and then don’t have to add the 28 pick. Sens have some cap issues.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Flames retain on Markstrom and then don’t have to add the 28 pick. Sens have some cap issues.

Not to mention i just dont see the Flames taking on 16M in salary over 4 years for a guy unless they truly want him.

Retaining on JM for a couple years would be far more palatable to management.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Not to mention i just dont see the Flames taking on 16M in salary over 4 years for a guy unless they truly want him.

Retaining on JM for a couple years would be far more palatable to management.

We’ve got to take back Korpisalo in a Markstrom deal though. Sens don’t want 10m on two goalies when they’ve got cap issues.

[Flames_F.T.W]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

We’ve got to take back Korpisalo in a Markstrom deal though. Sens don’t want 10m on two goalies when they’ve got cap issues.

This is how we weaponize our cap space. Take Korpisalo back and eat money on Markstrom if that's what it takes to get another top 10 pick. If I were running the Flames I'd do just about anything to get a second top 10 pick. Helluva way to kickstart a "retool" (we all know this is rebuild)

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

[B]We’ve got to take back Korpisalo in a Markstrom deal though[b]. Sens don’t want 10m on two goalies when they’ve got cap issues.

They dont "have" to do anything of the sort.

Sens cap issues are exactly that....theirs.

Plus if the Flames retain 3M on Markstrom instead, (Forsberg can come back if needed) then the Sens are only paying 7M a year on the position....hardly a problem.

If they insist on JK being a part of the return then they can add Shane Pinto as well.

All this may be moot anyhow because Markstrom is likely only willing to go to teams he deems as good enough to contend for a SC, and it would be a reach to see the Sens in that light.