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FlamesAddiction · 05-31-2013, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Nieuwendyk

I thought that the "NHL or KHL only" stipulation was from the Dynamo and was a required condition for him to get his early release.

That is the way Gandler put it, but it sounds like a handshake agreement more than anything. Still, probably wise not to burn any bridges. Dynamo was generous to terminate his contract.

keenan87 · 05-31-2013, 03:02 PM

Here is another one of my crazy proposals:

Niño Niederreiter + 15th for Mark Giordano

FlamesAddiction · 05-31-2013, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by saillias

Dear lord please let us stay away

the above quote you could apply to... Alexei Kovalev in his prime over say Mats Sundin. But I know who I would rather have over the course of his career.

I think I would still take a chance on Nichushkin at 6th.

My bigger concern is whether or not the current Flames have the right type of mentor for him. Datsyuk was very much the same when he was a young player, but was mentored by guys like Yzerman, Fedorov and Lidstrom.

If Nichushkin has motivation or work ethic issues, it's not too late to turn him around. Some of the laziest people I knew when I was 18 turned out to be hardest working people I knew in their 20s and 30s.

TurdFerguson · 05-31-2013, 03:12 PM

I like Nichushkin a fair deal and I dont buy the "Russian factor" for top end picks. That said, I don't love him as a Flames pick because whoever the Flames pick will be viewed as "the guy" for the rebuild. That is a lot of pressure for anyone let alone someone adapting to the NA way of life and learning English. Nichushkin is a fantastic fit in a place like Carolina - he doesn't need to be "the guy" and he has some other strong leadership and Russians to help bring him along.

The NHL or bust approach doesn't bother me that much either. As long as he is playing in a league that will help his development, which the KHL certainly will, then it doesn't matter. Many other players from other countries take the same approach. I guess the only difference is the worry that because the KHL actually pays well he may never come back over - but I maintain, if he is in fact a top flight player, as he is being billed to be, then that is not a factor. All top-end players come the NHL, some slower then others, but they all want to be in the best league.

rollie619 · 05-31-2013, 03:33 PM

With regards to the Fucale talk. Feaster mentioned that they want people thinking that they are taking Fucale with their first pick. Wouldn't be surprised if it's a pr move.

Enoch Root · 05-31-2013, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rollie619

With regards to the Fucale talk. Feaster mentioned that they want people thinking that they are taking Fucale with their first pick. Wouldn't be surprised if it's a pr move.

Yes, was going to mention that. But all the talk from Hartley is still unnerving me.

I am in the 'no goalies in the first round' camp> However, with all the Fucale talk, I was thinking: I could live with taking Fucale with the Pit pick and then looking to trade Brossoit. I would think the Oilers would be interested, for one.

bubbsy · 05-31-2013, 03:47 PM

seems foolish to calling a PR spin a PR spin to the public (ie. feaster making the statement that they want teams to believe they're taking fucale), no??

dammage79 · 05-31-2013, 04:14 PM

Everytime I hear Monahan doing an interview. I can't help but think of Shane Doan. Maybe a better comparible than Toews or the Staals?

FightinSioux · 05-31-2013, 04:30 PM

To CGY: Alexander Burmistrov and 2013 2nd Rounder (Backhawks)
To WIN: Alex Tanguagy and 2013 1st Rounder (Penguins or Blues)

Draft Valeri Nikushkin at 6th overall

Valeri Nikushkin / Alexander Burmistrov / Jiri Hudler

And dream shot would to trade:
To EDM: Mark Giordano and "something" like Laurent Bossoit
To CGY: 2013 1st Rounder (Oilers)

And draft Elias Lindholm or Sean Monahan

Ideas of having a Russian tandem?

mdubz · 05-31-2013, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by FightinSioux

To CGY: Alexander Burmistrov and 2013 2nd Rounder (Backhawks)
To WIN: Alex Tanguagy and 2013 1st Rounder (Penguins or Blues)

Draft Valeri Nikushkin at 6th overall

Valeri Nikushkin / Alexander Burmistrov / Jiri Hudler

And dream shot would to trade:
To EDM: Mark Giordano and "something" like Laurent Bossoit
To CGY: 2013 1st Rounder (Oilers)

And draft Elias Lindholm or Sean Monahan

Ideas of having a Russian tandem?

And have by far the worst D in the league with rookie goalies?

FightinSioux · 05-31-2013, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mdubz

And have by far the worst D in the league with rookie goalies?

Or sign Mike Smith

and some D via free agency

Valeari Nikushkin (7th) / Alexander Burmistrov /Jiri Hudler
Sven Baertschi / Alexander Barkov (6th)

/ Mike Cammalleri
Curtis Glencross / Mikeal Backlund / Lee Stempniak
Tim Jackman / Max Reinhart / Roman Horak

Brutal back end I totally agree but the top 6 isn't so bad.......

T.J. Brodie / Dennis Wideman
3D / Mark Cundari
Corey Sarich / Derek Smith

Joey MacDonald
Karri Ramo
Retro Berra

rollie619 · 05-31-2013, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbsy

seems foolish to calling a PR spin a PR spin to the public (ie. feaster making the statement that they want teams to believe they're taking fucale), no??

But .. but it's a private STH meeting

Table 5 · 05-31-2013, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I'm not quite as anti-goalie in the 1st round as some people. It just has to be the right goalie. Defencemen and forwards busts quite regularly as well in the later 1st. If we could get a guy like Tukkka Rask in the late 1st I think we'd be pretty ecstatic.

The problem is that, if past results show anything, not even the pros seem to know who the "right" goalie is. They frequently draft mediocre guys in the 1st round, and franchise goalies in the late rounds. Anyone who says they know who the right goalies are and who the wrong ones are is blowing hot air. They've proven over and over again that it's a giant crapshoot. Who's the last goalie who was considered a franchise goalie in his draft year, and actually lived up to, or exceeded, the hype? I can't think of one that is noticeably better than others in his draft class.

I don't blame the pros for not knowing. It's fricken hard to predict how someones going to be playing 5-8 years from now (remember, Quick and Rask only really emerged the last couple of years when they were in their mid 20s). In some ways it would be like drafting a 12-13 year old forward, and trying to predict how he'll play when he's 20.

And most of the guys they do draft, end up only emerging with their 2nd/3rd team anyway. I mean it's nice that Tukka Rask was drafted in the 1st round and all...but look who he's helping to win now...not the team that actually drafted him. And all it took to get him was another crapshoot goaltender.

I actually think that the Flames current approach is the way to go... acquire a bunch of goalies in their early/mid 20s on the cheap and see if any emerge. Why waste a high draft pick and half a decade of development time getting to the same place, when you can get someone else to do it for you.

T@T · 05-31-2013, 05:31 PM

Combine on right now (TSN)

Monahan looks like a beast!

littlereddevil · 05-31-2013, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Everytime I hear Monahan doing an interview. I can't help but think of Shane Doan. Maybe a better comparible than Toews or the Staals?

Probably a better, and more realistic comparison than Toews or E. Staal.

If he turned out to be like a Shane Doan, I wouldn't complain about it.

Jables16 · 05-31-2013, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by littlereddevil

Probably a better, and more realistic comparison than Toews or E. Staal.

If he turned out to be like a Shane Doan, I wouldn't complain about it.

The one I keep hearing is Logan Couture. 1 or 1A offensive center that plays a complete defensive game. The fact that he plays for the 67's doesn't take anything away from the comparison. If Monahan could be anything like Couture I'd be very happy with the Flames picking him.

dammage79 · 05-31-2013, 06:12 PM

What I liked about the Monahan interview is that he didn't take time off once his season was over. Got to training and focusing on his explosiveness. I am starting to believe this kid could jump up to 4 if they think his skating issues are being resolved. Which half makes me sad we may miss on him and half excited because Barkov could slip down.

Hockey_Ninja · 05-31-2013, 06:19 PM

Button has us picking Lindholm and the Canes taking Monahan @5. He also stated that the Flames love Monahan. I'm now pretty certain he will be our pick if he's their at 6.

Vinny01 · 05-31-2013, 06:27 PM

Watching that Monahan interview sold me on him. Hope he is there at 6

kyuss275 · 05-31-2013, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Button has us picking Lindholm and the Canes taking Monahan @5. He also stated that the Flames love Monahan. I'm now pretty certain he will be our pick if he's their at 6.

The most surprising thing Button said was that he thought teams would try and trade up to #5 to get Monahan. I think he called Lindholm the consolation prize.

Also saw small interview with Monahan, very well spoken. Not hard to imagine he did well in the interview process.