2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by David Struch

I'd say two years of Johnny at 6.75 is worth two good assets,

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (6.0) + 2020 1st round pick (EDM)

Draisaitl would score 70 with Johnny riding shotgun. What’s fantastic deal that would be for Edmonton, get rid of a 55 point winger that Leon dragged to better numbers and give up a mid first for an elite winger.

[GS Skier]

Originally Posted by David Struch

I'd say two years of Johnny at 6.75 is worth two good assets,

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (6.0) + 2020 1st round pick (EDM)

Hopkins is weak weak weak and a flop as a 1st over all. He's still so slight in his upper body he just avoids the tough areas as he gets pushed around too much. Sure wouldn't do it for me.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Chonger

Say the Oilers are willing to put up, hands down, the best package for Johnny. What would that have to look like for it to be acceptable for you?

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Interesting question.

Flames get:

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ($6,000,000; UFA 2021)
Evan Bouchard ($863,333; RFA 2023)
Jujhar Khaira ($1,200,000; RFA 2021)
1st in 2020
Conditional Pick in 2022 (1st if Oilers reach Conference finals in 2021 or 2022, and/or Gaudreau records 90+ points in 2021 or 2022; if neither condition is met a 2nd in 2022)

Oilers get:

Johnny Gaudreau ($6,750,000; UFA 2022)
Derek Ryan ($3,125,000; UFA 2021)

Reasoning. RNH could add more center depth and an additional PKer, Bouchard is a high end RHD prospect, would look great paired with Valimaki, Mackey, Hanifin or Kylington. Khaira adds extra PK depth and he plays with a bit of an edge, would be a nice add for the 4th line to replace Rinaldo/Jankowski/ 14th overall pick in 2020 (I think the 14th and 19th could be paired to trade into the top 10). And of course the conditional pick of they are successful and/or Gaudreau has great success.

[JurassicChamp]

I see the flames have 2 serious needs right now and a top 4 dmen and a starting goalie.

I think we have 4 move to do though due to the way the playoffs,

#1 Start goalie
#2 Decide on which way to go with the top 6 forwards
#3 A top 4 dmen (Valimaki could do here but that leaves a whole at 5 or 6 defense spot.
#4 some depth forwards we only have 11 forwards signed.
#5 a 3rd- 5th rounder. (an early 5th would give us 1,2,4,5,5,6,7 and the 4 is San Jose which is early in that round. Meaning the early the 5th could view as a 4th, and the 4th from San Jose via Buffalo in the Frolik deal would view as a 3rd.

I personally I trade Monohan for either a better center or Center and another need.
No not Eichel. He was bad during the last 10 games for Buffalo with only 1 point being an assist. I feel Monahan has a lower ceiling and trading is easily to replace being we have 3 center in our top 6 right now.(Lindholm, Backlund, Monahan)
So even getting wing could work. With that line we center that is boardworker, Rebounder and tipper. Monahan is not that he's a good shot. I view him and Lindholm as every close playstyles.

Here's my idea that work is flood one area for the expansion draft and make Seattle take a player does not really hurts us. Next Seattle has to 20 contracts which does handycap them a little right I just though capfriendly expansion draft tool it is hard to get 20 contracts right now. It might be easily next when more people are signed. Seattle has take 30 players some are going to good and some are bad. Some are going to improve with time. Las Vegas took a player that did not really hurt us but the other 29 out weighed Engelland.

Also you don't need to win every deal right away just make consist good moves look at Boston and San Jose. Fill need don't make change for change sake.
Boston lost the Thornton deal but has a cup win and Thornton might not win at all. Plus now San Jose is rebuilding so I feel the Thornton era is done.

[dammage79]

Okay, threads jumped the Shark now with this Oilerz BS.

I was thinking last night about a w0rst case scenario where Tree just does nothing and goes with another year of answers are in the room.

That leaves them needing a goalie, signing either 1 d man and letting the kids play or signing 3.

Plus a top 6 RW.

UFA:
Brodie
Hamonic
Talbot
Gustavsson
Forbort
Rinaldo
Reider
Quite
Faroese
Czarnik
Stone

RFA:
Mangiapane
Kylington
Jankowski
Parsons
Schneider

Buy out:
1.5 m Brouwer

So under this premise, who do they go get? Oh and they have a small amount of cap space to accomplish this. They have 28.2 million in cap space.

Actually, I cant even begin to muster up ideas there so much to do.

[Icon]

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All of the UFAs walk

All of the RFAs re-sign except Schneider. Mangi gets a decent raise, the rest around the same as their pay this year.

Sign UFA Greiss to a 2yr 4MM AAV, roll with him and Rittich as a tandem.
Sign UFA Vatanen to a 4yr 5MM AAV

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Mangiapane
Lucic - Bennett - Dube
Phillips - Ryan - Gawdin
Jankowski

Hanifin - Vatanen
Valimaki - Andersson
Gio - Kylington
Mackey

Greiss
Rittich

Flames finish 4th in the division get into playoffs as a wildcard, lose to Vegas in the first round in 5.

How'd I do?

[Husky]

Flames need to add 1 impactful top 6 forward and 1 D. And a goalie.

There needs to be a meaningful shakeup or else its the same fluff as last few seasons.

Valamaki is a big unknown due to injuries. Id use him as a big sweetener. Go for fences with someone like Eichel. Guadreau, valmaki plus package
Forbort should be resigned for bottom pairing.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Icon

^

All of the UFAs walk

All of the RFAs re-sign except Schneider. Mangi gets a decent raise, the rest around the same as their pay this year.

Sign UFA Greiss to a 2yr 4MM AAV, roll with him and Rittich as a tandem.
Sign UFA Vatanen to a 4yr 5MM AAV

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Mangiapane
Lucic - Bennett - Dube
Phillips - Ryan - Gawdin
Jankowski

Hanifin - Vatanen
Valimaki - Andersson
Gio - Kylington
Mackey

Greiss
Rittich

Flames finish 4th in the division get into playoffs as a wildcard, lose to Vegas in the first round in 5.

How'd I do?

Nailed the flames mediocrity play to a T
Followed by another round of “does this core have what it takes” articles.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Icon

^

All of the UFAs walk

All of the RFAs re-sign except Schneider. Mangi gets a decent raise, the rest around the same as their pay this year.

Sign UFA Greiss to a 2yr 4MM AAV, roll with him and Rittich as a tandem.
Sign UFA Vatanen to a 4yr 5MM AAV

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Mangiapane
Lucic - Bennett - Dube
Phillips - Ryan - Gawdin
Jankowski

Hanifin - Vatanen
Valimaki - Andersson
Gio - Kylington
Mackey

Greiss
Rittich

Flames finish 4th in the division get into playoffs as a wildcard, lose to Vegas in the first round in 5.

How'd I do?

I am not a Vatanen fan.

I like the Greiss signing. However, I wonder if we could get Talbot for slightly less because he likes Calgary. Talbot’s numbers are slightly better, and he is slightly younger. Plus, Talbot has played 3 seasons of well over 50 games, and his numbers in 2 of those years were great.

[JTech780]

All I want Treliving to do this offseason is to add a number 1 center, a number 1 defenseman and a number 1 goalie. We are only those three pieces away from being a legit contender. Shouldn't be that hard to find those pieces.

Sarcasm aside, those are the pieces we need, but chances are we are going to have to draft them and will probably will need top 10 picks to be able to draft them.

Any other plan just keeps this team stuck in mediocrity.

Also can this team stop trying to build around wingers as their best players. It didn't work with Iginla, it isn't going to work with Gaudreau or Tkachuk.

The two biggest down falls for this current core, is that Monahan didn't develop into a two way center, and something went terribly wrong with Bennett's development. Even if one of those guys were developed properly this team would be in a much better position. That's not how it worked out, so back to the drawing board.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I am not a Vatanen fan.

I like the Greiss signing. However, I wonder if we could get Talbot for slightly less because he likes Calgary. Talbot’s numbers are slightly better, and he is slightly younger. Plus, Talbot has played 3 seasons of well over 50 games, and his numbers in 2 of those years were great.

Griess is all about Trotz and Korn.

Just like Holtby before him and Rinne.

Beware goalies who play well under a great goalie coach cause the coach doesn’t come with them.

[The Original FFIV]

A lot of this free agent talk is pie in the sky stuff.

Why would free agents want to come to Calgary? Not close to contending. Comparatively high taxes, life in the fishbowl, etc. You might get a goalie who wants to be a starter as there are only 31 jobs but skaters have a variety of options.

If we get a free agent that’s in demand, we have to overpay and we’ve seen how that’s gone with Neal and Brouwer.

Yes, a quick fix but at a cost, which is hard due to the flat cap.

If treliving can make a Robbie Fabbri type deal that could pay dividends, that would help fix our depth without overpaying or overspending. And players like these don’t have restricted movement clauses.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I am not a Vatanen fan.

I like the Greiss signing. However, I wonder if we could get Talbot for slightly less because he likes Calgary. Talbot’s numbers are slightly better, and he is slightly younger. Plus, Talbot has played 3 seasons of well over 50 games, and his numbers in 2 of those years were great.

I'm not saying I like the moves, could just see Treliving doing it.

[Zulu29]

The more I think about it the more I’d like to swing something with Philly. Something along the lines of Gaudreau, Phillips (or comparable) and Kylington for Frost, Konecny, Farabee and Sanheim. They get the main piece with some complimentary players and we get some good young pieces without relying on magic beans.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

The more I think about it the more I’d like to swing something with Philly. Something along the lines of Gaudreau, Phillips (or comparable) and Kylington for Frost, Konecny, Farabee and Sanheim. They get the main piece with some complimentary players and we get some good young pieces without relying on magic beans.

I understand that they're getting the best piece in the deal, but even if the values you're proposing were equal (I don't think they're close), Philly would never do that because it basically wipes out their entire crop of younger talent.

[Icon]

I think Philly might do Frost, Myers and a 1st for Gaudreau and a 3rd, or something like that (maybe they want to shed some salary in the deal so pieces are added on both sides to accomodate). I can't decide if it's enough for Johnny or not, which probably means it is.

Philly has a few more years worth of a window from their older core, so I could see them trying to go more all-in now instead of just waiting to go after Johnny, who likely signs there anyway, in a couple years.

[Heavy Jack]

Hall and Lehner/Markstrom are my biggest UFA hopes; trade one of Monahan or Gaudreau for futures along with Ryan for futures as well to make the dollars work. Personally Monahan for Cozens + 8th is the deal I’d hope to see.

If we could sell Gio as well with out taking much contract back we could see about perusing Pietrangelo as well.

Monahan + Ryan + Giordano for a combination of futures and prospects across different trades while signing Hall + Pietrangelo + Lehner/Markstrom could be a really good shake up.

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Hall and Lehner/Markstrom are my biggest UFA hopes; trade one of Monahan or Gaudreau for futures along with Ryan for futures as well to make the dollars work. Personally Monahan for Cozens + 8th is the deal I’d hope to see.

If we could sell Gio as well with out taking much contract back we could see about perusing Pietrangelo as well.

Monahan + Ryan + Giordano for a combination of futures and prospects across different trades while signing Hall + Pietrangelo + Lehner/Markstrom could be a really good shake up.

This is the second time I have seen a proposal around Cozens and Money. Did I miss something or is this just a trade suggestion?

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Monahan for Cozens + 8th

Have loved this idea since I first saw it on here. Feels like it would look like grand larceny in only a year or two though, so if I can see that, so must the other side.

More from the Flames end (depth roster players or later round picks) to sweeten it wouldn't turn me off on it tho. Drafting twice in the top 20 of this draft could really accelerate "restocking the cupboards", something we're in dire need of, even if the current higher end prospects in the system turn into NHLers

[JTech780]

Wrong thread.