Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Firebot]

https://globalnews.ca/news/9515665/s...ustin-trudeau/

The floodgates have opened. Expect more dirty laundry to be aired soon, all the information is coming piecemeal and instead of conceding to an inquiry, Trudeau is doubling down.

“Let me also be very clear to a really important point that I think some folks are choosing to overlook in a free democracy,” Trudeau said. “It is not up to unelected security officials to dictate to political parties who can or cannot run. That’s a really important principle.”

Trudeau taking potshots at everyone, even the country's spy agency. And while he's right, Liberals decided to have a compromised candidate run while rejecting other viable candidates, after CSIS warned Liberals about the foreign interference.

“That is a key story, the briefing with [the] Liberal Party in the week before nominations closed,” a source recalled. “There was lots of pressure for weeks leading up to the deadline, that we need to do something.

“This was a classified briefing of serious and extremely sensitive nature to Liberal Party of Canada senior staff who hold security clearances,” the same intelligence official who says they have awareness of the alleged brief told Global News.

“CSIS was concerned that Han Dong was connected to People’s Republic of China foreign interference in Canada.”

“Privy Council Office took the CSIS investigations and briefed this to the Prime Minister’s Office,” one intelligence official said. “It is clear there is a problem for the Liberal Party of Canada that are reviewing the intelligence, that the Conservative Party of Canada is the target of Chinese Communist Party attacks.

Our country has been compromised, and our government has enabled it. There's a word for this.

[Doctorfever]

Ya, no need for a public inquiry…. Nothing to see here.

Hey look over there…

[shotinthebacklund]

Have we reached a level of corruption yet that makes people uncomfortable going forward? Direct attack to the founding principle of democracy is hard to over look.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by peter12

Yeah, but they won’t. It’s ride or die with him at the helm short of a total caucus revolt.

Can't see it happening. Trudeau was very careful at putting his true believers in key cabinet positions. They'll ride or die with him.

The PMO office is extremely powerful and control the narrative for the party big time. Harper gave his office a lot of power, Trudeau it seems has upped PMO control big time.

Singh has asked for an inquiry, at the same time the NDP blocked calling Telford to testify in front of the committee, they also blocked document requests.

[Azure]

Still trying to understand how it is not treason.

Surely we have some kind of standard we adhere to as a country.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

Have we reached a level of corruption yet that makes people uncomfortable going forward? Direct attack to the founding principle of democracy is hard to over look.

There are a lot of questions being asked about the Trudeau foundation. In 2014 foreign donations were about 54 mil. Now foreign donations are 10x that amount.

Also the gentlemen that is writing the report for the government on election interference is a former head of the Foundation.

More on this Morris Rosenberg is the gentleman writing the report Critical Election Incident Public Protocol on the 2021 election.

The panel is tasked to look at incidents of electorial interference in the 2021 election.

He served as the head of the Trudeau foundation from about 2014 to 2018

While there he accepted a $200,000 donation from Bin Zhang who is mentioned in that report of using CCP money for the donation to the Trudeau Foundation. Zhang was also the guy that set up those cash for access events for the Liberals.

This has to be an inquiry.



I think everything needs to be looked at.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Azure

Still trying to understand how it is not treason.

Surely we have some kind of standard we adhere to as a country.

Too soon for that. But the question should be, where is the RCMP in all of that.

[Erick Estrada]

This is not good for the Liberals or Canada. That said the Liberals will weather this storm as they always do.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Azure

Still trying to understand how it is not treason.

Surely we have some kind of standard we adhere to as a country.

For whom?

The evidentiary standard to charge some one with treason will be higher than the standard for CSIS to warn the government. Hopefully the inquiry will shed some light on this.

[Fuzz]

Clearly this is the fault of the Conservatives. Had they put forth an electable leader, the Liberals would never have been in this mess.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Clearly this is the fault of the Conservatives. Had they put forth an electable leader, the Liberals would never have been in this mess.

That is kind of true. Had there been a single competent alternative this wouldn't have taken place.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Firebot

You are correct, but the requirement without a driver's ID are much more stringent where mass voter fraud is unlikely to occur.

https://www.elections.ca/content.asp...t=index&lang=e

Option 3: If you don't have ID
You can still vote if you declare your identity and address in writing and have someone who knows you and who is assigned to your polling station vouch for you.

The voucher must be able to prove their identity and address. A person can vouch for only one person (except in long-term care institutions).

Let's also understand, it's only a problem now that we know that it has been abused by foreign entities. I expect Liberals may change this as well as other parties now that foreign abuse into our democratic process has been made public.

Yeah their is an interesting debate on whether non-citizens should be able to select the party candidate at all. In uncontested ridings like Alberta those are the defacto elections. We really should have an open primary process to select candidates.

[opendoor]

There definitely needs to be some kind of inquiry.

That said I am also generally pretty skeptical of intelligence leaks like this. Particularly given that members of CSIS (and other law enforcement agencies) were apparently leaking stuff to the convoy leaders during all that because they supported it. All the more reason to sort it out through an independent inquiry.

[Looch City]

This is all okay in my opinion, I prefer my candidates compromised by China instead of Russia.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Clearly this is the fault of the Conservatives. Had they put forth an electable leader, the Liberals would never have been in this mess.

This is a pretty good joke. I lol'd.

[peter12]

Amazing how these things develop over just a few days. This has all the makings of a pretty serious scandal, but as many in here have said, remains to be seen whether the Libs can just float through it again.

[nik-]

Saying it's not up to unelected security officials to pick who gets to when it's in relation to foreign intervention with who gets to run might be one of the dumbest things he's ever said.

And yes, I realize the scale that's placed on. That is a Trumpian statement.

As demonstrated many times before, once he gets off script, it's a horror show.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by nik-

Saying it's not up to unelected security officials to pick who gets to when it's in relation to foreign intervention with who gets to run might be one of the dumbest things he's ever said.

And yes, I realize the scale that's placed on. That is a Trumpian statement.

As demonstrated many times before, once he gets off script, it's a horror show.

In Paul Well's piece on this a few days ago, he said something along the lines of "Trudeau can usually pretend that the country is more important than elections when put in front of the camera. This is not one of those times."

[peter12]

The LPC really just can't help itself. Just govern until the stink of your corruption makes voters toss you out for a few years. Except this time, the only alternative is a CPC that's pretty cozy with the burgeoning alt-right movement.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by peter12

The LPC really just can't help itself. Just govern until the stink of your corruption makes voters toss you out for a few years. Except this time, the only alternative is a CPC that's pretty cozy with the burgeoning alt-right movement.

It's actually a pretty solid approach - not only do you get to govern the country for (apparently) about a decade at a time, but you can line a few pockets in the process. And then you take a break for a bit before getting back on the horse.

First thought: if only the CPC had MacKay or someone as leader so as to be well positioned to take advantage of this.

Second thought: is this enough of an opportunity for the NDP to strike while the iron's hot and trigger an election sooner rather than later? Obviously this is going to end up being a pretty big scandal but it's not going to have legs until 2025.