2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Just my weekly reminder that Monahan scored 20 goals before Gaudreau played an NHL game

And Ryan Getzlaf was 2nd in scoring! Kessel and Corey Perry were also having great years

https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seas...ers-stats.html

Lots changes. Not sure why anyone needs a weekly reminder of what happened in 2013

Weekly reminder - Monahan already had a cripple back in Junior. Just MAYBE a decade later that contributes to his decline in play, along with 6 other major surgeries

[Harry Lime]

So are you guys advocating trading Monahan, or big Buffalo supporters, or what?

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

So are you guys advocating trading Monahan, or big Buffalo supporters, or what?

Monahan would probably be viewed by Buffalo as a cap dump at this point

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[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Monahan would probably be viewed by Buffalo as a cap dump at this point

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Monahan is a solid second line centre in this league, even with the last two games, where he was poor offensively and good defensively. A second line centre who is 27 years old and a history of success is worth at least a protected first round pick (in value).

As stated many times before, Monahan/Valimaki/Pelletier/protected first, is exactly what Buffalo asked for in terms of value. The reason that there is no movement is because Adams thinks that he can get a potential first line centre out of the deal (Zegras/Rossi/Krebs). Rightfully, all of those teams are saying no.

The only reason Monahan is in the conversation is because cap needs to move the other way, and Monahan isn't going somewhere for free. Whether it's directly to Buffalo, or through a third team to fit Sean's NTC, either way he is a movable asset with another centre coming in.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Monahan is a solid second line centre in this league.

No, he isn't. Monahan WAS a solid second line centre, when he was being heralded by Flames fans as a first line centre. He's not that player anymore.

This isn't just based on two games, by the way. He's picked up right where he left off, where he barely looks capable of holding down third line centre duties. Even the coach is playing him as such.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

No, he isn't. Monahan WAS a solid second line centre, when he was being heralded by Flames fans as a first line centre. He's not that player anymore.

This isn't just based on two games, by the way. He's picked up right where he left off, where he barely looks capable of holding down third line centre duties. Even the coach is playing him as such.

Dude is coming off hip surgery. And didn't play (much?) in the pre-season.
Let's give him more than 2 games.
No point dumping him now. Unless you can make a hockey trade like say Gallagher for Monahan.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

And Ryan Getzlaf was 2nd in scoring! Kessel and Corey Perry were also having great years

https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seas...ers-stats.html

Lots changes. Not sure why anyone needs a weekly reminder of what happened in 2013

Weekly reminder - Monahan already had a cripple back in Junior. Just MAYBE a decade later that contributes to his decline in play, along with 6 other major surgeries

I was responding to the notion that Gaudreau made his entire career. He was a 20 goal scorer without Gaudreau.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Dude is coming off hip surgery. And didn't play (much?) in the pre-season.
Let's give him more than 2 games.
No point dumping him now. Unless you can make a hockey trade like say Gallagher for Monahan.

You sure love to come up with excuses for players not being very good and preach a "wait it out" approach. Maybe the 100th time a Flames asset declines into nothingness before he gets moved you'll be right.

[chummer]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

You sure love to come up with excuses for players not being very good and preach a "wait it out" approach. Maybe the 100th time a Flames asset declines into nothingness before he gets moved you'll be right.

You sure love to crap on everything Flames, so tiresome.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I was responding to the notion that Gaudreau made his entire career. He was a 20 goal scorer without Gaudreau.

Without Gaudreau that’s all Monahan still is


It was great when he was 18 on his ELC and we all assumed he would get better but now he’s basically the same player with injuries and a big cap hit

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by chummer

You sure love to crap on everything Flames, so tiresome.

What exactly am I supposed to be excited about? The team, the prospects, and the management are all well below league average. All I ask for is some direction to provide a glimmer of hope.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

All I ask for is some direction to provide a glimmer of hope.

You don't actually ask for anything. You just hate everything on sight.

[activeStick]

Could be excited about:

- only 2 games played so far
- strong metrics in both games
- elite coach with history of success getting a full season with training camp
- decent starts for Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Mangiapane, Coleman
- new season, new hope, it's fun to watch hockey

Or, could also be excited about:

- getting to make a post about how much the team/coach/GM sucks after every loss in the PGT
- reminding the board in every thread about how bad the Flames have been over the last x number of years (since we're not aware)
- predicting the Flames fail some how (trade, performance, whatever) and then the chance that you'll be right and getting to say that you told us so

I dunno, your choice, I guess?

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

You sure love to come up with excuses for players not being very good and preach a "wait it out" approach. Maybe the 100th time a Flames asset declines into nothingness before he gets moved you'll be right.

We are not the coaches or management, we are just fans; You are on a message board spouting out negative stuff so you can get some more attention.

I like Jiri's suggestion I think it is sound and reasonable. No one here can solve your problems we are not coaches and unfortunately, not everyone is going to agree. Lighten up being overly negative is a very narrow point of view.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Could be excited about:

- only 2 games played so far
- strong metrics in both games
- elite coach with history of success getting a full season with training camp
- decent starts for Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Mangiapane, Coleman
- new season, new hope, it's fun to watch hockey

Or, could also be excited about:

- getting to make a post about how much the team/coach/GM sucks after every loss in the PGT
- reminding the board in every thread about how bad the Flames have been over the last x number of years (since we're not aware)
- predicting the Flames fail some how (trade, performance, whatever) and then the chance that you'll be right and getting to say that you told us so

I dunno, your choice, I guess?

CP boasts a lot of historians.

I've suffered four decades! I have the right to be jaded!

We've only made it x rounds since x date!

X player was better and we gave him up this bum!

I just dare these people to try living in the present. This isn't 1998-99, this isn't 12-13, this is 21-22. And we don't know how this season ends, and how it unfolds is - contrary to popular belief - not predicated on the result of any season that came before it. Even though there are patterns with the team, every team breaks through at some point after some period of futility.

You don't have to jump in with both feet, but maybe just give the season a chance to unfold before announcing to every one how it will end before its a week old

Because what else can we even do? This is our team, for better or worse. Might as well get behind them.

[Harry Lime]

This is the trade and speculation thread, after all. If Tre manages to land Eichel and Kravtsov, and the cost is Monahan+Valimaki+futures(Pelletier+Zary+1st) then there will be plenty to be excited about, and plenty of reasons to watch.

This isn't the thread to be crapping all over the coach or players... it's a GM thread. To that end, if you are going to be talking about the value of a player, it helps to think of actual value in the league, and saying that Monahan has negative value is not accurate. There are threads out there for bold takes such as that.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Monahan is a solid second line centre in this league, even with the last two games, where he was poor offensively and good defensively. A second line centre who is 27 years old and a history of success is worth at least a protected first round pick (in value).

As stated many times before, Monahan/Valimaki/Pelletier/protected first, is exactly what Buffalo asked for in terms of value. The reason that there is no movement is because Adams thinks that he can get a potential first line centre out of the deal (Zegras/Rossi/Krebs). Rightfully, all of those teams are saying no.

The only reason Monahan is in the conversation is because cap needs to move the other way, and Monahan isn't going somewhere for free. Whether it's directly to Buffalo, or through a third team to fit Sean's NTC, either way he is a movable asset with another centre coming in.

Monny may be a solid 2nd line centre.

He will need to prove that due to his injuries. Until he does that, teams will view him with suspicion. And rightfully so.


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[Saqe]

What is the main piece comparable to Drysdale, if that is the ask from Anaheim? I'm not sure the Flames can match that.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Saqe

What is the main piece comparable to Drysdale, if that is the ask from Anaheim? I'm not sure the Flames can match that.

The only name floated around so far as an ask is Hanifin. Obviously it would be +, but that's the only name I've heard.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Saqe

What is the main piece comparable to Drysdale, if that is the ask from Anaheim? I'm not sure the Flames can match that.

There is no comparable prospect, not even close.


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