2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

The way I see it is exposing Kylington and Bennett will be a mistake.

We are going to trade 10 years of play from one of these two guys for 2-3 from some aging vets?

I love Backlund and Gio but in situations like this you need to make your decision with your brain and not your heart.

Look what happened to players like Theodore and Karlsson.

I have no doubt Kylington or Bennett could end up like these two if we allow it to happen.

I know not everyone will agree..

Completely agree, but the org has pushed all their chips in on short-term success, so it's kinda moot IMO.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

The way I see it is exposing Kylington and Bennett will be a mistake.

We are going to trade 10 years of play from one of these two guys for 2-3 from some aging vets?

I love Backlund and Gio but in situations like this you need to make your decision with your brain and not your heart.

Look what happened to players like Theodore and Karlsson.

I have no doubt Kylington or Bennett could end up like these two if we allow it to happen.

I know not everyone will agree..

Why are you so sure you are going to get 10 years of play out of those guys?

Things haven't exactly been working out for either Bennett or Kylington. I can see Bennett leaving in 2 years when he hits UFA. Not sure about Kylington, but I am pretty sure he will be UFA when he's 27 so in 4 years. In that case it is 1 year of Bennett or 3 years of Kylington... not 10 years!

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Completely agree, but the org has pushed all their chips in on short-term success, so it's kinda moot IMO.

But that is what they always do. I’m getting kind of sick of it.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Why are you so sure you are going to get 10 years of play out of those guys?

Things haven't exactly been working out for either Bennett or Kylington. I can see Bennett leaving in 2 years when he hits UFA. Not sure about Kylington, but I am pretty sure he will be UFA when he's 27 so in 4 years. In that case it is 1 year of Bennett or 3 years of Kylington... not 10 years!

Ok now you’re overthinking it too much.

The beauty about my original thought is we, barring any COVID setbacks, have a partial season to further judge all these assets that could potentially be exposed.

Next season/post-season will tell us everything we need to know.

If Bennett and Kylington suck it up protect the vets.

I believe in both them however and am hoping/expecting a good season from them.

Kylington might not carve out a role and be relegated to #7 but I fully believe Bennett will looks great next season.

[gvitaly]

I get what you're saying and I agree they should wait the season. Right now all of the discussion is hypothetical. As things stand right now Backlund(even at the end of his contract) is more valuable than a 3rd/4th liner in Bennett(based on the regular season), or a 6th/7th D in Kylington. I think both players need to show me a lot more to be protected ahead of Backlund/Gio.

[SnipeShow]

I think Bennett still has some upside, has shown some flashes of high skill level, and can crush people. I like mangiapane as he's been a solid younger player who puts up some points and works hard but with that in mind I also think he's the most replaceable of those on the protection fence and plays wing.

I believe it'll be easier to find a bargain winger next off season than trying to replace Backlund or miss out on Bennett who has been gaining some confidence and may show value at centre possibly. We already know he can put up some points at wing (12 pts this year but didn't seem to have nearly as many shots and slightly poorer SH% than most years) . Mang only put up 32 points on the second line and wasn't a major contributor in the playoffs particularly. Bennett was a beast in the playoffs, had worse linemates generally, and can bring more than just scoring. If need be, it's much easier generally to move a center to wing than the reverse which has me leaning toward Bennett.

Imo the unprotected slot will be between Bennett and Mang, and I would lean towards protecting Bennett.

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[ignite09]

I don't see why anyone would be deciding on who to protect at all until this season is played out.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by ignite09

I don't see why anyone would be deciding on who to protect at all until this season is played out.

Maybe its like driving a car for the first time. You don't look at the road right in front of you, but out whats beyond to be ready to react.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Maybe its like driving a car for the first time. You don't look at the road right in front of you, but out whats beyond to be ready to react.

What?

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[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

What?

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There will be mistakes is what I was trying to say.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ignite09

I don't see why anyone would be deciding on who to protect at all until this season is played out.

I agree that it's fun to speculate, but I'm not sure why so many are getting bent out of shape in the discussion when we don't have any idea what the facts will be at that time.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by SnipeShow

I think Bennett still has some upside, has shown some flashes of high skill level, and can crush people. I like mangiapane as he's been a solid younger player who puts up some points and works hard but with that in mind I also think he's the most replaceable of those on the protection fence and plays wing.

I believe it'll be easier to find a bargain winger next off season than trying to replace Backlund or miss out on Bennett who has been gaining some confidence and may show value at centre possibly. We already know he can put up some points at wing (12 pts this year but didn't seem to have nearly as many shots and slightly poorer SH% than most years) . Mang only put up 32 points on the second line and wasn't a major contributor in the playoffs particularly. Bennett was a beast in the playoffs, had worse linemates generally, and can bring more than just scoring. If need be, it's much easier generally to move a center to wing than the reverse which has me leaning toward Bennett.

Imo the unprotected slot will be between Bennett and Mang, and I would lean towards protecting Bennett.

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Not protecting Mangiapane would be one of the dumbest mistakes this organization makes.

Don’t look at Mangiapane’s stats for the whole season, look at them when he started to really light it up before the break. Even when he’s not scoring he’s a strong two way player and gets under people’s skin. It would be a terrible mistake to let him go.

[Bingo]

I don't have the attention span to work that capfriendly expansion tool to the finest of detail (picking every team's list before making the Seattle picks)./

But when I used the auto function to create the protection lists then adjusted a few teams including Calgary I found when I was picking for Seattle that it was much easier to find defenseman than it was forwards.

Backlund looked pretty attractive to be honest.

[Vinny01]

There are 56 games and hopefully several more playoff games to be played. Trades can happen between now and the expansion draft for sure. As of right now though it is definitely between Backlund and Bennett on who is being exposed up front as the other 6 spots look to be locks (Mangipane or Dube would have to have unthinkably bad seasons to put themselves on the exposed list imo).

I think Backlund is a more important part of the team but the potential benefit of cap flexibility that is created if he is drafted. I do think though if we see 10pt regular season Bennett he will be exposed even if he is back to playoff Sam Bennett.

[SnipeShow]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Not protecting Mangiapane would be one of the dumbest mistakes this organization makes.



Don’t look at Mangiapane’s stats for the whole season, look at them when he started to really light it up before the break. Even when he’s not scoring he’s a strong two way player and gets under people’s skin. It would be a terrible mistake to let him go.

I like mangiapane and don't disagree that he plays solid defensively and would be missed but depending on the light you shine any choice they end up making could be a poor one.

Saying to look a specific period of the season rather than the season as a whole is somewhat cherry picking the prime moments rather than overall performance. By the same measure you could look exclusively at Bennett's ppg effort in the playoffs and ignore the ups and downs of his play in the regular season.

One more reason I wouldnt want Backlund exposed is that he is generally consistent YoY both in play and points and doesn't play a style of game that looks like it'd wear you down and cause a drastic decline over the next couple years despite the over 30 argument

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[TheScorpion]

If the choice is between Bennett and Mangiapane, I protect Mangiapane 15 out of 10 times. I don't even think all that hard about it. Mangiapane is consistently far more effective in all areas of the ice.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

If the choice is between Bennett and Mangiapane, I protect Mangiapane 15 out of 10 times. I don't even think all that hard about it. Mangiapane is consistently far more effective in all areas of the ice.

Depends on which Bennett shows up this season. If playoff Bennett shows up he is more valuable than Eat Bread by quite a bit. I keep both over Backlund regardless.

[SnipeShow]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

If the choice is between Bennett and Mangiapane, I protect Mangiapane 15 out of 10 times. I don't even think all that hard about it. Mangiapane is consistently far more effective in all areas of the ice.

I don't think it's quite that clear cut. Last year Bennett had better ppg than Bread, and brings a lot of other qualities to his game like physicality and a power forward style this team desperately needs at times. Bread has always been a little more defensively steady and did put up more points this year but this was his highest sh% ever while Bennetts was lower than his avg, while Bread played with better linemates pretty much all season.

I realize until we see what further development either of them bring this year or see if Backlund has any drop off it's hard to have a definite odd man out at this point. I just know I'll be a little disappointed no matter who goes as I appreciate all 3 of them for various reasons.

For me, ideally Bread get exposed, but so does Tanev and having a D exposed that carries some value would shield Bread from being taken. I don't think you get that outcome if Backlund or Bennett are exposed as I think Seattle would covet Center depth and grab them over Tanev. Potentially not Bennett as he still has some uncertainty, but Backlund would for sure be grabbed in that situation.

Not meaning to pull the trade thread towards the expansion as much I have so sorry about that.

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[chedder]

Originally Posted by SnipeShow

I don't think it's quite that clear cut. Last year Bennett had better ppg than Bread, and brings a lot of other qualities to his game like physicality and a power forward style this team desperately needs at times.

Bennett was 12 points in 52 games last year. Mange was 32 points in 68 games which is double the ppg.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by SnipeShow

For me, ideally Bread get exposed, but so does Tanev and having a D exposed that carries some value would shield Bread from being taken. I don't think you get that outcome if Backlund or Bennett are exposed as I think Seattle would covet Center depth and grab them over Tanev. Potentially not Bennett as he still has some uncertainty, but Backlund would for sure be grabbed in that situation.

I think under ideal conditions it ends up being Backlund who is exposed, and not because he is currently the most expendable player of the three. Rather, because we should all hope he is the most expendable player of the three by next summer. If either Bennett or Mangiapane is exposed, it be because he has had a disappointing season. That would be far from ideal. Whereas, if Backlund is exposed it will be because a younger, cheaper player has made him expendable, which would also likely mean that the Flames and their young players have come through a spectacular season.

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