Democratic Presidential Primaries 2008

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by llama64

I wonder who will win the super delegate race. I always assumed Clinton would take it without breaking a sweat but now I'm not so sure. There was some commentator on CNN yesterday talking about it and he brought up an interesting situation. Apparently most of the undecideds are the older party members who were around in the 90's. They apparently view the time much differently then the average American does mostly because the 90's ended with the Democrats mostly locked out of all aspects of government. They blame Clinton for this, or so this guy claims.

Anyone have any insight/thoughts?

I saw this too. The fact that the conversation is even occurring (Hillary is the next Bill), does not bod well for the Clintons as more and more SD's pledge their support. God, this entire situation has been so over analyzed. America needs a new direction. America knows it needs a new direction. Obama embodies a new direction.

HMMMM....

Sorry, I'm just sick this entire process. And it isn't even April.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by llama64

I wonder who will win the super delegate race. I always assumed Clinton would take it without breaking a sweat but now I'm not so sure. There was some commentator on CNN yesterday talking about it and he brought up an interesting situation. Apparently most of the undecideds are the older party members who were around in the 90's. They apparently view the time much differently then the average American does mostly because the 90's ended with the Democrats mostly locked out of all aspects of government. They blame Clinton for this, or so this guy claims.

Anyone have any insight/thoughts?

This is supposedly a true position held by many of the old guard. I was reading a report yesterday about this and as Clinton was in the White House things did become much more bleak for the Democrats at all levels of government. I do remember the GOP assuming control over the House and Senate over the next few elections, giving the likes of Newt Gingrich a ton of undeserved power. Clinton's questionable past and willingness to play power politics did hurt the party. This is why there is still a division in the Democratic party and you see the DLC developing as an alternative. Interestingly enough, the DLC is stocked with Democrats that are probably more on the right wing than McCain. This is the group that Democrats want to make sure their party is protected from, and Hillary is on the board of that think tank.

[Calgaryborn]

So which is it? Is Barack a liar who hasn't spent the last 20 years listening to this Pastor spew or is he a closet racist?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

So which is it? Is Barack a liar who hasn't spent the last 20 years listening to this Pastor spew or is he a closet racist?

Laugh. It's one or the other, eh? Well played.

[Nehkara]

Originally Posted by llama64

I wonder who will win the super delegate race. I always assumed Clinton would take it without breaking a sweat but now I'm not so sure. There was some commentator on CNN yesterday talking about it and he brought up an interesting situation. Apparently most of the undecideds are the older party members who were around in the 90's. They apparently view the time much differently then the average American does mostly because the 90's ended with the Democrats mostly locked out of all aspects of government. They blame Clinton for this, or so this guy claims.

Anyone have any insight/thoughts?

Well, just looking at how things have been trending, I think Obama will win Superdelegates.

As of right now there are 349 yet to be decided which gives tons of room for Obama to move ahead, which it seems he eventually will.

[Nehkara]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

So which is it? Is Barack a liar who hasn't spent the last 20 years listening to this Pastor spew or is he a closet racist?

As Barack Obama explained today, it is neither.

He listened to him for 20 years and occasionally, when Rev. Wright would say things like the clip played repeatedly on CNN, strongly disagreed with what he said.

As he pointed out, most people disagree with somethings their pastor, reverend, rabbi, or priest say.

[Vulcan]

The obvious place to cut the budget is to get out of Iraq. From my reading the surge has doubled the cost per month and the success they claim is from buying off groups to not attack US troops.

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/80012/

[RougeUnderoos]

Meanwhile, John McCain's "spiritual advisor" Rod Parsley blathers on about a religious war with Islam and the coming apocalypse.

http://www.motherjones.com/washingto...ual-guide.html

In a chapter titled "Islam: The Deception of Allah," Parsley warns there is a "war between Islam and Christian civilization." He continues:
I cannot tell you how important it is that we understand the true nature of Islam, that we see it for what it really is. In fact, I will tell you this: I do not believe our country can truly fulfill its divine purpose until we understand our historical conflict with Islam.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=D7gC...author:Parsley

As history's final hour ticks away minute by minute...Are you ready for Christ's coming? As the midnight of history approaches, God is shaping a remnant within the body of Christ to light the way. In The Day Before Eternity, Rod Parsley instructs believers how to prepare for the Lords's return.A wake-up call to the church, this thought-provoking book will strengthen you as a soldier of Christ, alert you to Satan's tactics, and encourage you to proclaim God's Word before eternity dawns.The Day Before Eternity will help you: * Take back what the enemy has stolen* Be restored and renewed* Learn how to be shaped at the Potter's wheel* Be equipped for your spiritual battles* Discover afresh how to heed Christ's call for your lifeWill you be ready?Are you marching triumphantly in His army, or are you sitting ceremonially on the sides? Both a warning and a preparation, this book will challenge and equip you to march victoriously into eternity as Christ's soldier in His glorious End-Time army.

Just the kind of guy the world needs the President listening and pandering too.

This idiot is looking forward to the end of the world. He thinks it's going to happen soon.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by MacDougalbry

Healthy economies create balanced budgets; balancing the budget will not automatically heal their economy. Fiscal restraint was the first thing they tried during the great depression, and it had dire consequences. Regardless, there is no way the budget will get balanced until the war in Iraq is ended. If you are arguing for a balanced buget then you must also advocate for an end to the war as well.

I do....advocate a timely withdrawal.

Not just up and leave like many are suggesting....as it would only make things worse. I believe all 3 candidates are alike there. Its in the best wishes of practically everyone to pull US troops out as soon as possible.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

To balance the budget Congress would have had to lop off billions of dollars in programs that help us Americans here in the actual United States of America,

See, thats the exact problem the first place.

You, Congress, and the whole US government seems to think that these programs are actually helping Americans.

Lets see....1.3 trillion on Health Care in 2000....I assume that has increased in the past 8 years....and you of all people should know how supposedly 'horrible' the US health care system is. You've said it often enough.

But hey....keep throwing money at it...spend, spend, spend....that ought to fix that problem. Not too mention all the numerous other social programs that need to be reformed.

The original link for this report is giving me a server error...so I'll just link it to another forum.

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/bb...&mode=threaded

And here is another study.

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:...ient=firefox-a

Both basically said this.

Guaranteed health insurance for all combined with several federal policy options to achieve health care system savings could result in $1.5 trillion in reduced spending over 10 years in the United States, a new study shows.

But hey....keep spending. That ought to help.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Nehkara

As Barack Obama explained today, it is neither.

He listened to him for 20 years and occasionally, when Rev. Wright would say things like the clip played repeatedly on CNN, strongly disagreed with what he said.

As he pointed out, most people disagree with somethings their pastor, reverend, rabbi, or priest say.

No....him and his wife got married by him, their kids were baptized by him....and he was involved with Obama's election campaign. A bit more than just 'listened to him.' At least try to include the actual facts.

Now Obama may have cleared up a lot of issues with his speech.....but its not like he just attended church and the pastor was just another speaker he knew.

My problem with the whole thing is not what his pastor said....but that it took Obama 20 years to get rid of him. And don't try to tell me that Obama didn't know about any of the comments either.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Just the kind of guy the world needs the President listening and pandering too.

Yeah, you could say the same thing for Obama.

But I don't see you criticizing him.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Nehkara

As Barack Obama explained today, it is neither.

He listened to him for 20 years and occasionally, when Rev. Wright would say things like the clip played repeatedly on CNN, strongly disagreed with what he said.

As he pointed out, most people disagree with somethings their pastor, reverend, rabbi, or priest say.

Yes of course he would whitewash it. But, these weren't isolated comments. The churches web site had to take down some of the material they had posted from the right reverend because of its nature. As a politician how often do you sit and listen to racist comments from your Pastor knowing that your presence gives legitimacy to what the man is saying.

[Azure]

I can't figure out whats worse....the comments, or the fact that a Presidential candidate actually needs a religious adviser in order to run an election campaign.

So much for a separation between church and state.

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by Azure

Yeah, you could say the same thing for Obama.

But I don't see you criticizing him.

Don't go comparing race to religion, please. You know how low that is.

You're demonstrating exactly what McCain and the Republicans are going to use against Obama once this hits the next stage. It's sad, it's pathetic, and its an insult to those who dream of a better America.

Obama is not who his preacher tells him to be, he is who he says he is.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Don't go comparing race to religion, please. You know how low that is.

You're demonstrating exactly what McCain and the Republicans are going to use against Obama once this hits the next stage. It's sad, it's pathetic, and its an insult to those who dream of a better America.

Obama is not who his preacher tells him to be, he is who he says he is.

Huh? Race to religion?

Oh so now I'm racist if I think that if you criticize McCain because of what his spiritual adviser says, you should also criticize Obama on the same thing?

And don't paint me as a McCain supporter....because I'm far from that.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Azure

Yeah, you could say the same thing for Obama.

But I don't see you criticizing him.

And I don't see you criticizing McCain for cuddling up with the lunatics.

But yeah, I guess you could say the same thing about Obama. We don't need him listening to that guy.

Frankly, I think we'd all be better off if these guys didn't have any "spiritual advisors" and didn't have to endlessly yak about their faith and how pious they all are. It's sickening.

How and from whom the candidates take their weekly dose of Jesus should be pretty low on the list of priorities but here it is again, right at the top.

Of course if one Jesus sect or the other does have the ear of the President, maybe we should know what they believe in. If they are pining for the end of the world, that is kind of important.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

I always love with the born-agains come out and start yammering on about religion and politics when its they who inject this crap into politics in the first place. Yes, lets start being selective in who we bring up in this debate about religion in politics, as some posters will have to explain how such luminaries as Ted "Homos should burn in hell... oh wait I actually like gay sex" Haggard and Pat "America should assassinate Hugo Chanez" Robertson have a pipeline into the Oval office. Always fun to watch these types dance on the head of a pin.

Also, the United States spent $1.3 trillion on healthcare in 2000? Sorry, but that sounds like the biggest load of BS. Considering military expenditures are the largest line item in the US budget, and the US spends less than half a trillion on arms, I think the number is just a little inflated.

[Clever_Iggy]

I find the heat in this discussion interesting. Curious: how many consistent posters in this thread are actually American or reside permanently in the US?

I realize that because of the proximity and intimacy of US-Canadian relations, Canadians take interest in who the next president will be and what policies he/she will implement, however, I dont understand why Canadians or Canadians not residing in the US would get so intensely worked up over this... in March.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

And I don't see you criticizing McCain for cuddling up with the lunatics.

But yeah, I guess you could say the same thing about Obama. We don't need him listening to that guy.

Frankly, I think we'd all be better off if these guys didn't have any "spiritual advisors" and didn't have to endlessly yak about their faith and how pious they all are. It's sickening.

How and from whom the candidates take their weekly dose of Jesus should be pretty low on the list of priorities but here it is again, right at the top.

Of course if one Jesus sect or the other does have the ear of the President, maybe we should know what they believe in. If they are pining for the end of the world, that is kind of important.

See, thats the thing. Its like they absolutely have to HAVE spiritual advisor's.

And in regards to McCain, I agree. But then again I think I've voiced my opinion often enough of these extreme religious folks.

I don't like any of them.