10-17-2007, 01:47 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Kalispell, Montana
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I just realized, the signing of Travis Henry this offseason kind of negates Shanahan adhering to that philosophy doesn't it.
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10-17-2007, 04:57 PM
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#462
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan
I just realized, the signing of Travis Henry this offseason kind of negates Shanahan adhering to that philosophy doesn't it.
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Yup...and lately he has brought in some questionable characters as well.
there was some discussion on one of the million ESPN radio talk shows today wondering if Shanahan might start to feel some heat in Denver.
Im thinking there is at least another year of good will left but its true every coach has a shelf life any more.
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10-17-2007, 05:04 PM
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#463
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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Another one of Whitlocks comments was that the difference between Schottenheimer and Shanahan is that Shanahan had Elway on his side instead of killing him every playoffs. Ever since Elway left his teams have been running teams that can play defence, but he also hasn't had a great deal of success yet in developing a QB. His words not mine, maybe there is an element of truth to it, although even when Marty had a past his prime Montana he couldn't win the big games, and I don't know if past his prime Montana was that much different than Elway when he won those Superbowls.
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10-17-2007, 08:03 PM
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#464
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Kalispell, Montana
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
Another one of Whitlocks comments was that the difference between Schottenheimer and Shanahan is that Shanahan had Elway on his side instead of killing him every playoffs. Ever since Elway left his teams have been running teams that can play defence, but he also hasn't had a great deal of success yet in developing a QB. His words not mine, maybe there is an element of truth to it, although even when Marty had a past his prime Montana he couldn't win the big games, and I don't know if past his prime Montana was that much different than Elway when he won those Superbowls.
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Well, he hasn't really HAD a young QB since Elway's departure. Griese took over, but it was his toughness and leadership not his play that saw him leave Denver. Cutler is really the first shot Shanahan has of proving he can do that. We'll see, so far so good.
I'd hate to see him leave. Stability is an underrated feature of an NFL coaching staff.
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I am in love with Montana. For other states I have admiration, respect, recognition, even some affection, but with Montana it is love." - John Steinbeck
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10-17-2007, 08:08 PM
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#465
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: City by the Bay
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan
Well, he hasn't really HAD a young QB since Elway's departure. Griese took over, but it was his toughness and leadership not his play that saw him leave Denver. Cutler is really the first shot Shanahan has of proving he can do that. We'll see, so far so good.
I'd hate to see him leave. Stability is an underrated feature of an NFL coaching staff.
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I think Shanahan has earned himself a little rebuilding time... 2 more seasons after this one if things arent going well. He's too good too let go.
OT - Displaced, are you seeing tornados tonight - the news says it's a crazy night for them.
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10-17-2007, 08:14 PM
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#466
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan
Well, he hasn't really HAD a young QB since Elway's departure. Griese took over, but it was his toughness and leadership not his play that saw him leave Denver. Cutler is really the first shot Shanahan has of proving he can do that. We'll see, so far so good.
I'd hate to see him leave. Stability is an underrated feature of an NFL coaching staff.
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More Griese's maturity and leadership.
The most impressive game I've seen live was when he dislocated his shoulder in the 1st Q, came back in the 3rd, couldn't throw the ball more that 15 yards but still battled back to help win via last second FG. Last MN game in the old Mile High I believe. Anyway, would disagree toughness was an issue. Getting drunk and falling down the stairs during house parties ... that may have played a bigger part.
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10-17-2007, 08:17 PM
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#467
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Kalispell, Montana
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy
I think Shanahan has earned himself a little rebuilding time... 2 more seasons after this one if things arent going well. He's too good too let go.
OT - Displaced, are you seeing tornados tonight - the news says it's a crazy night for them.
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Nothing close to us. We've had a couple of really nice early spring thunderstorms the last couple of days. 70 mph straight line winds and such. Kind of odd for October, even around here. I haven't been paying attention, they said where the tornadoes are occurring?
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10-17-2007, 08:48 PM
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#468
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: City by the Bay
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan
Nothing close to us. We've had a couple of really nice early spring thunderstorms the last couple of days. 70 mph straight line winds and such. Kind of odd for October, even around here. I haven't been paying attention, they said where the tornadoes are occurring?
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Kansas City through to New Orleans - Missouri, Mississippi Valley, etc... apparently it's a pretty impressive storm.
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10-17-2007, 09:34 PM
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#469
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Kalispell, Montana
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Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy
Kansas City through to New Orleans - Missouri, Mississippi Valley, etc... apparently it's a pretty impressive storm.
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Sounds like the really nasty stuff is well east of us.
Evidently some significant wind damage here locally though.
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I am in love with Montana. For other states I have admiration, respect, recognition, even some affection, but with Montana it is love." - John Steinbeck
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10-18-2007, 04:04 PM
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#471
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
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Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy
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I wonder if that means it is time to trade Romo from my fantasy team?
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10-18-2007, 04:06 PM
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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Well despite all the arguing we do in this thread as to why the Pats are great or the Colts can take them...I think 90% of us would admit that these are the two best teams in the NFL. They are the only two unbeaten teams right now afterall.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7343980?MSNHPHMA
Provoking artical from Jason Whitlock this week. How hip hop culture and bad apples could "Whiten" the NFL. Interesting perspective as the work done by guys like James Brown, Walter Payton and many other great players of the past who've helped open the door for 70% of the athletes to be of African American background is starting to be forgotten by some of the guys currently playing the game with the way they act and conduct themselves off field. The two best teams in the NFL right now...have the highest number of non african american players on their roster.
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10-18-2007, 04:18 PM
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#473
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
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Interesting article.
The question, "Does hip-hip (or music in general) promote a culture or reflect it?" is probably good OT fodder.
Myself, while I think that is part of it, it is probably also related to the sense of entitlement that is developed as they were recognized as star athletes, and I don't think that issue is black or white. Ryan Leaf comes to mind, and to some extent so does Jeremy Shockey and some of the shenanigans he has pulled.
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"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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10-18-2007, 05:58 PM
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#474
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Originally Posted by Bobblehead
Interesting article.
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That might've been one of the most racist articles I've ever read. If a white writer had written that teams now have an exucse to "blacken" their rosters, the NAACP would be all over it.
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10-18-2007, 06:44 PM
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#475
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Some interesting quotes from Roy Williams on Jeff Garcia.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a.../71018002/1049
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On why Jeff Garcia stunk in Detroit: Cause he blamed everybody else. He blamed everybody else but himself. Like it’s (the receivers’) fault. In the West Coast system, my son can run the West Coast system and he’s only two.
On what he thinks of Garcia: I mean, I respected the man but I just didn’t like the fact that it would be our fault and never his fault. With Jon, even if it’s our fault he’s like it’s my fault, my bad, I gotta make a better throw. But we know deep down inside we should have caught that ball or we should’ve run a better route. But that’s just what a quarterback should do. … It’s like if you run a route and if you drop it or the DB makes a good play, he gets all animated and gets jacked up, and it’s our fault we did this or it’s always the receiver fault.
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10-18-2007, 09:59 PM
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#476
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: back in the 403
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Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy
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Goddamn do I hate TO...
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10-18-2007, 10:01 PM
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#477
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: back in the 403
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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan
The Bears have given up over 300 yards on the ground today to Minnesota.
Adrian Peterson (the good one) has TD runs of 75,67 and 35 yards. 233 yards on the ground for him.
WOW.
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Purple Jesus can't be stopped!!
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10-18-2007, 10:04 PM
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#478
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: City by the Bay
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sainters7
Goddamn do I hate TO...
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You cant say youre surprised though. He's been behaved for 6 games... in a row. He also said point blank during the preseason that he cannot go a whole season without a confrontation/drama.
San Fran - Baltimore (Im still confused how he whined his way out of that trade) - Philly and now Dallas... the guy defines cancer.
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10-18-2007, 10:15 PM
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#479
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
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Originally Posted by rubecube
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Well, Garcia has a few more Pro-Bowls, and success in SF, Phil and now TB. I'm not sure how Roy's opinion really has much weight.
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"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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10-18-2007, 10:21 PM
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#480
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: City by the Bay
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Originally Posted by Bobblehead
Well, Garcia has a few more Pro-Bowls, and success in SF, Phil and now TB. I'm not sure how Roy's opinion really has much weight.
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In Williams' defense, Garcia did stink up the joint in Detroit and Cleveland... but then again, it is Detroit and Cleveland...
Williams is a chump... saying that he prefers Kitna because he takes blame for everything? That's the reason why Williams will never be mentioned in the same sentence as any legit #1 receiver.
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