[News] Monahan on LTIR with season ending surgery. Kylington day to day. Mackey called up

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Didn't say that lol

My contention is leaning on that rookie season to argue pretty much any angle in 2022, especially with the injuries... is a reach

Impressive rookie year but people just yelling 20+ with no context and using it as proof for his future potential... I dunno

Nobody is doing that. We are still arguing against the posters who claim that Monahan was nothing without Gaudreau, and you are still, apparently, on the other side of that particular argument.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Nobody is doing that. We are still arguing against the posters who claim that Monahan was nothing without Gaudreau, and you are still, apparently, on the other side of that particular argument.

I'm more 75/25 in favor of gaudreau's impact

Monahan would've been a 20+/20+ guy without him. 2/3 C

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

He also had 12 assists for a whopping 34 points.

Then came Johnny and his points basically doubled.

Let’s not pretend he was some offensive juggernaut before Johnny.

Monny would have been a good player without Johnny (or a Patrick Kane type), but he wouldn’t have been nearly as productive.

I think it's interesting to wonder who Johnny's rookie year would have gone with Sean...who jumped to 1st among forwards with 19:37 TOI ahead of #2 Hudler at 18:01.

Do we think either these pairings are combining for 62 goals: Backlund-Hudler or Colborne-Hudler?

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

He also scored half those goals before December if memory serves, was pumped full of soft assignments and sheltered like what was warranted by Hartley

What is this argument even about? Its like 2 different conversations

Going to be waiting for a long time for 20 from Monahan me thinks

Time is a cruel mistress and there's no DeLorean kicking around

Monahan had 6G 4EVG 9P in his first 8 gp. 16G 15EVG 25P in his other 67 games is still a 20G/31P pace over 82.

Games 1-24: 9G 15P 16:09
-then he missed a little over two weeks (hairline fracture in foot, which he played on for at least 2 games)

25-51: 7G 9P 14:21
- then Olympic break

52-75: 6G 10P 17:39

Even if I made each third exactly 25 games it paints the same picture. It wasn't a dramatic slowdown as much as he just started on a heater.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Sorry guess my semantic game is rusty

No, you are arguing a point no one made. No one has said "Monahan scored 20 without Johnny therefore he will be good one day".

That said, if you want a prediction for his future, I'd need to know what his recovery is, where he'd play and with whom. If he has a 100% recovery, plays with decent guys and with power play time? Yeah, 20 goals is doable again. I mean, Dadanov, Gourde, etc will have 20, Dylan Strome has 20 for the first time in his life. I mean, he had 8 goals by the end of February, on one hip and with progressively less ice time. Healthy could he have had 11-12 by then?

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No, you are arguing a point no one made. No one has said "Monahan scored 20 without Johnny therefore he will be good one day".



That said, if you want a prediction for his future, I'd need to know what his recovery is, where he'd play and with whom. If he has a 100% recovery, plays with decent guys and with power play time? Yeah, 20 goals is doable again. I mean, Dadanov, Gourde, etc will have 20, Dylan Strome has 20 for the first time in his life. I mean, he had 8 goals by the end of February, on one hip and with progressively less ice time. Healthy could he have had 11-12 by then?

Mea culpe

Day drunk, might have missed the off ramp

It happens

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You missed the reference to "the Johnny years". It was the usual "he would have been nothing without Gaudreau" innuendo. He had 22 goals at 18 on mainly the second line with a lot of secondary players. Note - this was second on the team in goals, so the notion he was hiding may not be as accurate as some might think.

No I didn't miss it. I interpreted it differently. I thought that it was mentioned that Monahan deserves credit for those years. I thought that in the first years of his career Johnny benefited from playing with Monahan as much as Monahan benefited from playing with Johnny. Moreover, in the first half of 2018-19 Monahan looked like one of the best centers in the league. They were regarded as a duo, that's why I didn't think too much of it.

I just find that Monahan's first year is often taken out of context. For example people mention his 22 goals, but forget he had a +/- of minus 20. People also don't account for the fact that he was quite lucky that year. If we take his play 5 on 5 he scored 18 goals, while only having an expected goals of 9.2. He was very opportunistic that year, and despite that he had an on ice goal %(5 on 5) of 41.8%.

It's still quite an accomplishment for an 18 year old just coming into the league. However, at this point in his career we need more out of him, while in reality we would be fortunate to receive the same level of production out of him offensively.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

No I didn't miss it. I interpreted it differently. I thought that it was mentioned that Monahan deserves credit for those years. I thought that in the first years of his career Johnny benefited from playing with Monahan as much as Monahan benefited from playing with Johnny. Moreover, in the first half of 2018-19 Monahan looked like one of the best centers in the league. They were regarded as a duo, that's why I didn't think too much of it.

I just find that Monahan's first year is often taken out of context. For example people mention his 22 goals, but forget he had a +/- of minus 20. People also don't account for the fact that he was quite lucky that year. If we take his play 5 on 5 he scored 18 goals, while only having an expected goals of 9.2. He was very opportunistic that year, and despite that he had an on ice goal %(5 on 5) of 41.8%.

It's still quite an accomplishment for an 18 year old just coming into the league. However, at this point in his career we need more out of him, while in reality we would be fortunate to receive the same level of production out of him offensively.

I wanted to say something like this but every day is a different bag of broken toys... and I'm drunk lol

Thanks for the contribution

[Buff]

It sure feels that some people here think that Monahan has always been the worst hockey player in the history of worst hockey players.

Yes, he has fallen hard but don't let that disappointment blind you from reality.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Buff

It sure feels that some people here think that Monahan has always been the worst hockey player in the history of worst hockey players.

Yes, he has fallen hard but don't let that disappointment blind you from reality.

Yes. At least ten thousand people posted exactly that, pretty much word for word