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Old 10-28-2022, 09:34 PM   #461
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Mancini is just lost this post season. His at bats aren't even productive. We might not see him again this series.

If Verlander doesn't forget how to pitch in the 4th inning, Pressly coming in now to close this down.
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Old 10-28-2022, 09:59 PM   #462
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Worst fielder out there saves the game for the Phillies. Wow.
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Old 10-28-2022, 10:05 PM   #463
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The most bizarre baseball postseason I've ever seen. Can't think of one that even comes close.
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Not surprisingly Mancini not hitting here. Diaz has been almost as ice cold, they were smart to pitch around Gurriel.
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Old 10-28-2022, 10:38 PM   #465
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Great call by the home plate ump.
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Old 10-28-2022, 10:40 PM   #466
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Well that hurts as an Astros fan.
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Old 10-28-2022, 10:43 PM   #467
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Like how do you explain Verlander going from god mode in the first 3 innings to suddenly not being able to locate a pitch in the next 2 innings? Twilight zone stuff.
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Old 10-28-2022, 11:07 PM   #468
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Like how do you explain Verlander going from god mode in the first 3 innings to suddenly not being able to locate a pitch in the next 2 innings? Twilight zone stuff.
Sadly not twilight zone at all.

Verlander is 0-6 with an ERA over 6 in the World Series. In game 1's, his ERA is over 10.

Like I posted before the game, this was not a shock. The first three innings were a bit of a mirage i guess. Smoltz thought he was losing his form.

A great all time pitcher who struggles in the biggest moments.
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Old 10-28-2022, 11:39 PM   #469
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Bone headed decision then by Dusty to let him take the mound in the 5th.
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Old 10-29-2022, 09:05 AM   #470
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What? That is on the player, no idea how put that L on the manager. If it’s me, I’m trotting JV out again in game 5 and expecting that to be the game he figures it out.
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What? That is on the player, no idea how put that L on the manager. If it’s me, I’m trotting JV out again in game 5 and expecting that to be the game he figures it out.
JV has a long history of faceplanting in the WS. He gives up 3 runs in the 4th, and you put him out there again in the 5th? When you have a dominant bullpen you could rely upon instead? It was a bad decision.
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JV has a long history of faceplanting in the WS. He gives up 3 runs in the 4th, and you put him out there again in the 5th? When you have a dominant bullpen you could rely upon instead? It was a bad decision.
Come on it’s game 1. You want a high performing Verlander to win this Series. Yes the Astros have a great bullpen and part of that is because of how deep their starters go. You don’t pull the Cy Young winner after one bad inning and three great ones even with his WS struggles. The Phil’s kept their starter in after a worse start and look how it worked out.

Game 7 maybe that’s a different story. My only criticism is that I’m putting in Stanek before Garcia.
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Come on it’s game 1.
A crucial game 1 loss. Now the Stros are suddenly in a must-win situation in game 2, because going back to Philly for 3 straight games in a 2-0 hole against a red-hot team and a raucous crowd is about as insurmoutable a situation as any.
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You want to win the series, period. Even if it means being unloyal to the Cy Young winner.
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Yes, you do.
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The Phil’s kept their starter in after a worse start and look how it worked out.
Once the game got to 5-5 it was basically a coinflip from that point on. It never should have got to that point. The Phils were playing with house money when they were down 5-0. Not the same situation as the Astros at all. Besides, Nola doesn't have Verlander's history of WS suckage.
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Every game is super critical. The Phils got here by adhering to a win-the-current-game-at-all-costs philosophy. Their opponents didn't, and that's why they're watching from home.
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A crucial game 1 loss. Now the Stros are suddenly in a must-win situation in game 2, because going back to Philly for 3 straight games in a 2-0 hole against a red-hot team and a raucous crowd is about as insurmoutable a situation as any.


You want to win the series, period. Even if it means being unloyal to the Cy Young winner.

Yes, you do.

Once the game got to 5-5 it was basically a coinflip from that point on. It never should have got to that point. The Phils were playing with house money when they were down 5-0. Not the same situation as the Astros at all. Besides, Nola doesn't have Verlander's history of WS suckage.

Every game is super critical. The Phils got here by adhering to a win-the-current-game-at-all-costs philosophy. Their opponents didn't, and that's why they're watching from home.
Still feels like you are Monday morning quarterbacking here, sorry. If each game is so critical you should be arguing the Phillies should have pulled their starter sooner before it got to 5 to zero. But you’re not because of how it played out.

Pulling your starter at first sign of trouble is going to blow out your bullpen. You’re playing to win 4 games, not one.

And why is it a coin flip at 5-5? As you stated Astros have the superior bullpen.

Give credit to the Phillies, they got it done. You can’t manage your way out of poor pitching and good hitting by the opposition.
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Giving up 3 runs in an inning isn't "the first sign of trouble". It's a clear sign that "WS Verlander has returned".

There's definitely a case for pulling Nola earlier, but as mentioned, he doesn't have Verlander's track record of poo pitching in the WS.

These guys are on point.

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Stros on the board quickly in the first inning.
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Old 10-29-2022, 06:22 PM   #477
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3 doubles on 4 pitches to start the game. That's gotta be a record.
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Old 10-29-2022, 06:29 PM   #478
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There’s that Phillies defense.
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Old 10-29-2022, 06:34 PM   #479
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So should Wheeler be pulled?
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Old 10-29-2022, 06:39 PM   #480
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Did the Phillies go up 5-0 before giving up 3? It's a different situation. It's also the 2nd inning not the 5th. Important differences.
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