[PGT] Stars 5 Flames 4 (OT)

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

With 10 seconds left you should also just tackle guys around the net and grab sticks

This, they should almost just have Lucic out there just throwing everyone around in the front of the net.

Forbort and Gio were the ones there that also needed to do a better job of clearing the front of the net. But once again they were exhausted due to all the PKing in the third.

[AC]

Originally Posted by dino7c

hindsight on Lindholm...plays like that happen throughout the game

With 10 seconds left you should also just tackle guys around the net and grab sticks

Yeah I don't get it. With just a few seconds left while holding a lead late, I'd switch to a wood stick and just smash the most dangerous player's stick into pieces, then grab hold of he next best threat's stick.

Even if you get possession back and a penalty is called, the faceoff is another 50/50 play with likely not enough time left compared to when the attacking team was buzzing with the puck prior to going on a smashing spree.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by AC

Yeah I don't get it. With just a few seconds left while holding a lead late, I'd switch to a wood stick and just smash the most dangerous player's stick into pieces, then grab hold of he next best threat's stick.

Even if you get possession back and a penalty is called, the faceoff is another 50/50 play with likely not enough time left compared to when the attacking team was buzzing with the puck prior to going on a smashing spree.

I've always thought this as well. <10 seconds left on the clock? Time to go water skiing.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by AC

Yeah I don't get it. With just a few seconds left while holding a lead late, I'd switch to a wood stick and just smash the most dangerous player's stick into pieces, then grab hold of he next best threat's stick.

Even if you get possession back and a penalty is called, the faceoff is another 50/50 play with likely not enough time left compared to when the attacking team was buzzing with the puck prior to going on a smashing spree.

Exactly this. You're in the final 20. No one should be left standing in front of the net.

Rinse and repeat the tackling process every few seconds until everyone is in the box. Who cares.

On the OT goal, I thought Rhett made a good point today. That shot should not get through. That shot would not have gotten through if we were the Blue Jackets. There's value in letting your goalie see the puck - but on a shot like that from that lane, nope - shut it down. Do not stand off to the side the way Forbort did. Dube also was too passive (Dube is awesome, but he's made a few mistakes at key times - good learning lessons for the lad). I also thought TJ chased high when he shouldn't have. We didn't have enough net-front presence on that goal against.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I've always thought this as well. <10 seconds left on the clock? Time to go water skiing.

Say your line has been out for 1-2 minutes already trying to hold a lead and you can't even come close to touching the puck. You smash Pavelski's sick with 30 seconds left.

There's a chance the refs completely miss it away from the play. Without a stick, Pavelski has to either stand there and try and screen / kick a rebound to a teammate or sprint back to the bench for a new stick making it a 5 on 5 again. He could also just take a coincidental penalty in a rage.

Even if your goalie covers the puck, or you get possession and the whistle is blown for a quick PK faceoff, you at least get a whistle and the chance to change your exhausted 5.

It's a cheap strategy, and probably poor sportsmanship... But I think if you had 1 designated Paul Bunyon out late then it's a smart gamble.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Anything less than 20s in the 3rd and players should be told rules don’t apply. Take 10 minors in the final 20s. Who cares? Why even have a stick? With that much time as a Dman I’m dropping my stick and straight up tackling the puck carrier. I may even pick up the puck and throw it down the ice.

Worst case scenario you get a whistle and face off.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by AC

Yeah I don't get it. With just a few seconds left while holding a lead late, I'd switch to a wood stick and just smash the most dangerous player's stick into pieces, then grab hold of he next best threat's stick.

Even if you get possession back and a penalty is called, the faceoff is another 50/50 play with likely not enough time left compared to when the attacking team was buzzing with the puck prior to going on a smashing spree.

I hope when Geoff Ward reads this thread in his usual post game tradition, he takes this post in particular into account.

Order 125 of these puppies https://www.sportchek.ca/categories/...30076490.html# and issues orders to tackle, trip, hook and otherwise maim whoever is within 25 feet of the goal.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by AC

It's a cheap strategy, and probably poor sportsmanship... But I think if you had 1 designated Paul Bunyon out late then it's a smart gamble.

The Canadian media paints us villains most of the time anyways. May as well actually earn it. Better than flubbing HUGE games in back to back seasons in the final seconds and then losing in OT.

[dino7c]

For the record its not just the Flames...it boggles the mind that this doesn't happen in the last 10 seconds of every close game

[Dragomir]

I don’t condone breaking sticks and tackling players, this could’ve all been avoided if Ward didn’t put out Lindholm and Backlund who were gassed from killing penalties all game. The third line should’ve been out there with a fresh D pairing. Just horrible bench management.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

BRUTAL clearing attempt with 20 seconds left. If he makes a good play there, the game is over.

However, now that I know that he was on the ice for the entire last 3 minutes plus, I no longer blame him. I blame Ward.

Nice cop out for Lindholm. How about the 8 games of hockey that he has done jackcrap in?

2 straight years where he has checked out in the playoffs minus that monster Game 1 he had against the Avs. Maybe it's time to cut bait.

[Beatle17]

I watched the Flyers and Habs game. Flyers leading 1-0 and Habs trying to apply pressure. Flyers pressured the points so there were no shots and dealt with the guys down low and successfully chipped the puck past the defence twice.

Flames put 5 guys in front of their own net, plus 3 Stars players and just let the defencemen blast from the point. Maybe the Flames should just once try to cover the point men from Dallas, or not be afraid to get hit and try freezing the puck along the boards.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

I watched the Flyers and Habs game. Flyers leading 1-0 and Habs trying to apply pressure. Flyers pressured the points so there were no shots and dealt with the guys down low and successfully chipped the puck past the defence twice.

Flames put 5 guys in front of their own net, plus 3 Stars players and just let the defencemen blast from the point. Maybe the Flames should just once try to cover the point men from Dallas, or not be afraid to get hit and try freezing the puck along the boards.

It's been the strategy all year to collapse down low, try and block a shot, and chip it past the defencemen. It's just the way the team is coached in the defensive zone.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

For the record its not just the Flames...it boggles the mind that this doesn't happen in the last 10 seconds of every close game

I seem to recall those Darryl Sutter L.A. Kings teams were great at doing just this.

I remember when they upset the Canucks in that first round when the won the cup the first time that they would just mug the Canucks players in the last 30 seconds of the game.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by AC

Yeah I don't get it. With just a few seconds left while holding a lead late, I'd switch to a wood stick and just smash the most dangerous player's stick into pieces, then grab hold of he next best threat's stick.

There's probably a gentlemen's agreement to not do this because it would force the league to make late penalties by the team defending a lead automatic penalty shots. And whoever breaks the agreement gets the rule named after them.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

It's been the strategy all year to collapse down low, try and block a shot, and chip it past the defencemen. It's just the way the team is coached in the defensive zone.

I understand that but what kind of coaching staff doesn't adjust when the other team is getting 30 shots a game from the point. Not just little wrister/get it on net but full blasts with lots of time to shoot it. Just my opinion on what may help them.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

I understand that but what kind of coaching staff doesn't adjust when the other team is getting 30 shots a game from the point. Not just little wrister/get it on net but full blasts with lots of time to shoot it. Just my opinion on what may help them.

I agree completely, but I understand the coach's logic. The Flames often give up a shot, but you can rarely go cross ice with a pass. It makes it predictable, with the idea of giving the opponent the shot, but a low quality one.

Problem is the Flames haven't seemed to block shots well at key times, and they're dead tired in their zone at the end of it all.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Just as the flames always blow games 2 and 4 when leading a series, we’re clutch in game 5 to take control. We’ll be up by 2 before the 10 min mark of the 1st on Tuesday.

Are you from the future too?

[AC]

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[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

I understand that but what kind of coaching staff doesn't adjust when the other team is getting 30 shots a game from the point. Not just little wrister/get it on net but full blasts with lots of time to shoot it. Just my opinion on what may help them.

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I agree completely, but I understand the coach's logic. The Flames often give up a shot, but you can rarely go cross ice with a pass. It makes it predictable, with the idea of giving the opponent the shot, but a low quality one.

Problem is the Flames haven't seemed to block shots well at key times, and they're dead tired in their zone at the end of it all.

It's also where they needed to change the strategy a bit from series to series.

This collapse strategy worked against Winnipeg because their d-men aren't as talented, and either shot into Flames legs or would try to pass down low where the Flames were able to intercept and have numbers.

However giving that much time and space to the pointmen doesn't work when you have Heiskanen, and Klingberg blasting from the point and Pavelski, Perry, and Benn down low causing havoc in the paint.

In the Jets series over the 4 games the corsi attempts leaders on defense for the Jets were Pionk (17), Morrissey (12), Kulikov (11), and none of those three are point shot threats IMO.

For the Stars so far in 4 games the corsi attempts leaders on THE TEAM are Klingberg (38), Heiskanen (25), and Pavelski (22).

So probably want to re-think that "open point" strategy when you have those two guys blasting, and Pavelski who is so good at tips/collecting rebounds standing in front.