10-25-2019, 09:51 AM
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#461
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Unpopular opinion. I do not think Travis Hamonic is a good hockey player. He is awful at breaking out of the defensive zone and routinely turns the puck over. He does play tough and is willing to sacrifice his body, but he does not defend very well. Promising plays die on his stick as he might be the worst puck handler on the team. Don't get me wrong, I like his grit, but he is the first dman I would like to see the flames consider trading.
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10-25-2019, 10:08 AM
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#462
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vansmack
Unpopular opinion. I do not think Travis Hamonic is a good hockey player. He is awful at breaking out of the defensive zone and routinely turns the puck over. He does play tough and is willing to sacrifice his body, but he does not defend very well. Promising plays die on his stick as he might be the worst puck handler on the team. Don't get me wrong, I like his grit, but he is the first dman I would like to see the flames consider trading.
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There are times I feel he's great and others he's a total disaster. Depending on his asking price I'm actually leaning to keeping Brodie over him at this stage.
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10-25-2019, 10:12 AM
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#463
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A 1st and 2 2nds is a tough price to pay for 3 years of service for a second pairing defender just to let him walk away.
I'll be surprised if harmonic isn't re-signed prior to Christmas.
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10-25-2019, 10:15 AM
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#464
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken
A 1st and 2 2nds is a tough price to pay for 3 years of service for a second pairing defender just to let him walk away.
I'll be surprised if harmonic isn't re-signed prior to Christmas.
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You are probably right but given how tight this team is against the cap I would not be happy with a long term $5 million/season deal for a guy like Hamonic who is the type of player that even the slightest bit of decline would render him a 5th defenseman at best. The deal would have to be in the low $4 million range or I think it would be another bad deal for the team to carry.
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10-25-2019, 10:24 AM
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#465
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Franchise Player
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Unpopular Opinions about Flames
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
There are times I feel he's great and others he's a total disaster. Depending on his asking price I'm actually leaning to keeping Brodie over him at this stage.
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I think they should both go. Gio, Andersson, Hanifin, Valimaki, and Kylington are a perfectly capable top 5.
That $8 million could go a long way to improving the forward depth and maybe finding a real solution to the top 6 instead of band-aiding it with guys like Frolik and Czarnik.
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10-25-2019, 10:35 AM
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#466
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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Hanifin is more problematic. Still gets caught in no man's land on occasion.
He's played a ton of games but I don't think he was taught any NHL level defense until he came to Calgary.
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10-25-2019, 10:49 AM
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#467
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Originally Posted by Shazam
Hanifin is more problematic. Still gets caught in no man's land on occasion.
He's played a ton of games but I don't think he was taught any NHL level defense until he came to Calgary.
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He's super young with a body type that lends itself to a slower development curve.
He looks 15 lbs heavier this year, and while still making obvious mistakes, the bulk of his minutes are tremendously successful.
Maybe I'm on an island, but I'm super happy with his development thus far.
A lot of guys plateau early in their careers which might be the case for kylington or Andersson, but hanifin still seems to be rocketing upwards.
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10-25-2019, 10:51 AM
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#468
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shazam
Hanifin is more problematic. Still gets caught in no man's land on occasion.
He's played a ton of games but I don't think he was taught any NHL level defense until he came to Calgary.
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Hanafin is still work in progress and IMO Hamonic in his own end makes more mistakes. He was probably the Flames worst defenseman in the Avalanche series. I know Treliving will try to keep him but I would be totally fine if he signs with another team in the offseason even with the sunk cost of the three high picks.
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10-25-2019, 10:55 AM
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#469
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken
A 1st and 2 2nds is a tough price to pay for 3 years of service for a second pairing defender just to let him walk away.
I'll be surprised if harmonic isn't re-signed prior to Christmas.
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Especially when the 12th overall turned into Noah Dobson who looks like a complete package number one dman in the making. Infuriating.
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10-25-2019, 11:02 AM
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#470
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by icecube
Especially when the 12th overall turned into Noah Dobson who looks like a complete package number one dman in the making. Infuriating.
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If the flames didn’t have harmonic everything about that season and draft changes
The standings
The draft order
The lottery
Who teams take
I don’t disagree that in retrospect the trade isn’t great but one should not be connecting Hamonic to Dobson in this way
Btw I’m also very high on Dobson and grateful the oil took Bouchard instead
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10-25-2019, 11:12 AM
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#471
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
If the flames didn’t have harmonic everything about that season and draft changes
The standings
The draft order
The lottery
Who teams take
I don’t disagree that in retrospect the trade isn’t great but one should not be connecting Hamonic to Dobson in this way
Btw I’m also very high on Dobson and grateful the oil took Bouchard instead
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Without hamonic that pick is probably in the top 10 and the 2nd is probably top 40, both for Calgary.
I don't normally point and say so and so could've been drafted but in this instance the flames moved what was otherwise two exceptionally high value picks for a nice cap hit because they were already in cap jail.
Do the flames make a deal for a high value player like mark stone if they have 2 other potentially as valuable prospects as valimaki...?
Opportunity cost.
It will make it hard for the flames/treliving to walk away from Hamonic for that very reason.
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10-25-2019, 11:13 AM
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#472
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by icecube
Especially when the 12th overall turned into Noah Dobson who looks like a complete package number one dman in the making. Infuriating.
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I doubt Treliving figured they'd be drafting anywhere near 12 at the time. That said, I don't think Dobson will be higher than a second pairing D, which is what Hamonic is now.
That said, I used to think Hamonic was by himself on the team as far as skill set goes (I disagree that Stone is anywhere near Hamonic as far as defensive play and transition). That's why I figured Brodie was the more obvious guy to let go, given similarities with his game and Kylington. However, I now think Andersson brings a lot of what Hamonic does as far as grit, physicality, and decent transition.
I don't think Treliving would have much difficulty trading Hamonic - he fills a gap on a lot of teams and he's good value.
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10-25-2019, 11:17 AM
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#473
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken
A 1st and 2 2nds is a tough price to pay for 3 years of service for a second pairing defender just to let him walk away.
I'll be surprised if harmonic isn't re-signed prior to Christmas.
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What kind of contract extension makes sense for Hamonic?
22M in cap space with 3 d-men signed (Gio Hanifin and Valamki)
and 8 forwards and one goalie. need to sign 4-5 d-men 5 forwards and a goalie
11 players average 2M per player.
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10-25-2019, 06:01 PM
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#474
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shazam
Hanifin is more problematic. Still gets caught in no man's land on occasion.
He's played a ton of games but I don't think he was taught any NHL level defense until he came to Calgary.
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Glad Calgary rescued him from that inattentive coach in Carolina
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10-25-2019, 06:03 PM
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#475
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
Without hamonic that pick is probably in the top 10 and the 2nd is probably top 40, both for Calgary.
I don't normally point and say so and so could've been drafted but in this instance the flames moved what was otherwise two exceptionally high value picks for a nice cap hit because they were already in cap jail.
Do the flames make a deal for a high value player like mark stone if they have 2 other potentially as valuable prospects as valimaki...?
Opportunity cost.
It will make it hard for the flames/treliving to walk away from Hamonic for that very reason.
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“Cap jail”. Bonus points for keeping Feaster’s legacy alive
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10-25-2019, 06:08 PM
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#476
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by edslunch
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The theory of supply and demand suggests otherwise.
Best value for the money might be correct though.
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10-25-2019, 07:12 PM
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#477
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken
A 1st and 2 2nds is a tough price to pay for 3 years of service for a second pairing defender just to let him walk away.
I'll be surprised if harmonic isn't re-signed prior to Christmas.
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While I tend to agree, it is somewhat telling he has yet to be re-signed. The acquisition cost should be irrelevant to such a decision but I am sure it will be a consideration.
As good as those picks ended up being, they could have been even better. And while Hamonic is a 2nd pairing defender, he needs to be paired with a more dynamic player to merit that designation IMO.
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10-25-2019, 10:41 PM
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#478
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken
He's super young with a body type that lends itself to a slower development curve.
He looks 15 lbs heavier this year, and while still making obvious mistakes, the bulk of his minutes are tremendously successful.
Maybe I'm on an island, but I'm super happy with his development thus far.
A lot of guys plateau early in their careers which might be the case for kylington or Andersson, but hanifin still seems to be rocketing upwards.
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Oh no doubt, he’s made huge strides since he’s come over.
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10-25-2019, 11:11 PM
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#479
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All I can get
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Harvey the Hound should be replaced by a resurrected Scorch.
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10-26-2019, 04:30 PM
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#480
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Harvey is the NHL's original mascot and should never be replaced!
Scorch would be a sidekick.
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