[PGT] Golden Knights 4 - Flames 2

[Computerjungle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAZU6DYwTDM

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by dino7c

you keep changing your stupid argument...now its just PP points

IDK man...move on. The 81 point in 81 game player you seek does not exist.

Johnny isn't elite enough to save this team by himself. No one person is. Perhaps you should focus on what the rest of the team is doing as a unit rather than racking up individual point totals for our pint-sized hero.

Johnny is a consistent point producer year-by-year, but he's getting them in bunches. The very definition of a streaky player.

Sorry man, he's streaky and I have said that from the first point. Argument hasn't changed.

[nwflamesfan]

I miss the ATL

[TheAlpineOracle]

I liked the other day when someone texted Boomer and Warrener and said they were too negative on the Flames and need to be positive. Boomer’s response “ Maybe you turn the radio off until 9 when Derrick wills comes in to talk about the Flames”.

Really the only two guys on the fan with a shred of objectivity anymore.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Sorry man, but this is the hill I will die on for this argument. Gaudreau isn't converting at the rate we need him to and making them count, even if it is fun to watch him score points during hot streaks. I'll take Tkachuk right now, thank you.

Lol he is elite at producing points and doesn’t have any different streaks than other players in the top 10 of scoring. As I’ve proven two different ways.

Agree he needs to do more on the PP but the flip side is it’s prettt remarkable he contributes as much as he does, at a consistent clip, with a PP that is so bad.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by zamler

The Flames are a good team on the road I'm convinced it's because Gully's system can't be fully utilized without last change.

home team gets last change.
I think the Flames should just decline pp's and last change.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Johnny isn't elite enough to save this team by himself. No one person is. Perhaps you should focus on what the rest of the team is doing as a unit rather than racking up individual point totals for our pint-sized hero.

Johnny is a consistent point producer year-by-year, but he's getting them in bunches. The very definition of a streaky player.

Sorry man, he's streaky and I have said that from the first point. Argument hasn't changed.

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Alright let’s do this differently.

Gaudreau - longest pointless streak 3 games (once), 4 streaks of 2+ games without a point

Kucherov - longest pointless streak 3 games (once), 2 streaks of 2+ games without a point

Mackinnon - longest pointless streak 3 games (once), 4 streaks of 2+ games without a point

Kessel - longest pointless streak 2 games, 2 streaks of 2+ games without a point

Stamkos - longest pointless streak 3 games (once), 3 streaks of 2+ games without a point

Tavares - longest pointless streak 5 games (once), 5 streaks of 2+ games without a point

Crosby - longest pointless streak 3 games (once), 5 streaks of 2+ games without a point

Explain to me how he is inconsistent and any more inconsistent than the other top 5 scorers in the league.

Conveniently didn’t respond to this post hey.

Based on what you are saying every player in the league is inconsistent

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I dont think GG is a good coach...its really hard to pin this game on him though. Things were going pretty well until the Flames shot on their own net

Gotta disagree Dino. You could feel the tying goal coming. Flames playing (again) not to lose for most of the third. The defense doing the same thing as in the last few games dumping the puck out and waiting for the next attack. And it was wave after wave of white jerseys that kept coming. But for Smith the game would have been lost long before Frolik’s mistake.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I dont think GG is a good coach...its really hard to pin this game on him though. Things were going pretty well until the Flames shot on their own net

How do you see that? The Flames couldn’t get a third goal to save their life and without Smith, Vegas would have already been winning. The Flames what? 0-4 on the PP? Things most certainly weren’t going good. It was going like a regular garbage Flames home game.

[Mr.Coffee]

Just logged in to say it would be a mistake to wait until summer to fire Gulutzan and crew.

If you know he isn’t the guy, don’t delay. Start your interviews or search and then get a replacement in stat. This team is not having fun, and they are not going deep with this coaching staff.

It’s amazing how obvious this is. The coaching staff refuses to adapt quick enough.

Anyway I don’t understand the rationale to waste another few months of this clearly failed experiment and if Treliving thinks we have to wait he should also be in some serious heat.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Lol he is elite at producing points and doesn’t have any different streaks than other players in the top 10 of scoring. As I’ve proven two different ways.

Agree he needs to do more on the PP but the flip side is it’s prettt remarkable he contributes as much as he does, at a consistent clip, with a PP that is so bad.

I agree, Johnny is elite at producing points. Of course he is, the individual stats prove it.

But again, where is he right now when we need him? Where was he during December?

Like I said earlier, he's not converting when he should be. When it's even strength, him and Monahan/Ferland aren't getting it done. When it's on the PP, Johnny hasn't done dick all since November - but that problem is greater than just Johnny.

[Computerjungle]

[browna]

Originally Posted by drewtastic

Perhaps the most infuriating thing I saw tonight, after all was said and done, was that, with the game 3-2 and the Flames needing to pull the goalie, Mike Smith skated to the bench, waving his arms, trying to get the coaching staff's attention. He was less than fifteen feet from the bench before they gave him the sign to leave the ice. For me, this is representative of the whole team's lack of mental sharpness or focus. And for this, who else can be responsible except the coaches? (God bless Mike Smith--I shudder to think where the Flames would be without him.)

It is now five straight losses, no matter how you want to justify the OTL points gained. And it's not even THAT they lose, it's HOW they lose.

The next game against Tampa will speak volumes about this team's character. Sadly, outside of a few players like Smith and Tkachuk, I am uncertain as to their collective ability and desire to commit to the work ethic and focus required to be a consistently good NHL team. Hoping to be proven wrong in two days' time.

Good for you for staying, we were on the stairs on the way out after the 3rd goal.
Tampa lost tonight and got worked by the Flames before the 5 day break.

Flames are due for a stinker...but I think they'll be ok against Tampa, and get up for them sufficiently, but yet again likely not finish them. Its the Chicago game Saturday, no matter how Tampa goes, that will be the tell tale sign of where this team is headed, playing a team out of the playoffs. Either a letdown after maybe a result vs Tampa, or, mired in a slump if they lose to Tampa, regardless, if they lose that Saturday game there is big trouble with the mindset of this team and the coach.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Gotta disagree Dino. You could feel the tying goal coming. Flames playing (again) not to lose for most of the third. The defense doing the same thing as in the last few games dumping the puck out and waiting for the next attack. And it was wave after wave of white jerseys that kept coming. But for Smith the game would have been lost long before Frolik’s mistake.

Last 4 minutes or so maybe but overall shots were 11-11 and Corsi was 28-20 in the third period.

Flames played a pretty good third until the Frolik brain fart.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Johnny isn't elite enough to save this team by himself. No one person is. Perhaps you should focus on what the rest of the team is doing as a unit rather than racking up individual point totals for our pint-sized hero.

Johnny is a consistent point producer year-by-year, but he's getting them in bunches. The very definition of a streaky player.

Sorry man, he's streaky and I have said that from the first point. Argument hasn't changed.

You have yet to name a player that isn't streaky...because they don't exist

So sure he is as streaky as other top scorers in the league. Complaining that a player isn't doing things that no player in the NHL is doing is quite silly (dont want to get banned)

anyway enjoy your terrible opinion, I am done

[Computerjungle]

[zamler]

Don't get me wrong Chucky scored a tricky goal but Fleury was bad Fleury on that play he was floundering. Without that we would have never taken the lead.

This team can't score at home, can't score on the PP. If that's not a coaching issue then we are totally screwed.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Last 4 minutes or so maybe but overall shots were 11-11 and Corsi was 28-20 in the third period.

Flames played a pretty good third until the Frolik brain fart.

Smith was stellar again or it’s a blow-out early.

Power play awful as usual.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Conveniently didn’t respond to this post hey.

Based on what you are saying every player in the league is inconsistent

Well there is no real good stat for measuring consistency. However if you use some of the tools available for fantasy leagues, Gaudreau isn't even in the top 10 this season.

http://edraft.com/nhl/fantasy-hockey...&col2=2&con=50

Not that it matters; what matters to me is his conversion rate for opportunities to score - and the PP is the best chance to do that. Tkachuk is the best PP creator in the league.

[drewtastic]

Originally Posted by browna

Good for you for staying, we were on the stairs on the way out after the 3rd goal.

Always have to stay for the "three stars"--an attempt to get our money's worth.

But tonight, Bennett didn't come out for his turn. I get that the players are pissed, but it's not the fans' fault that they blew it. The kids at least deserve a shot at seeing their heroes and potentially getting that souvenir stick.