Shaw 150 MBPS deal- $80 (Telus rumoured to match) [Split from Shaw TV]

[Aegypticus]

Got a call from Telus tonight. Decided to humour them since we are upgrading to 150 with one of the two providers no matter what. Got an appointment scheduled that I can cancel.

Here's what they offered me:
- 150/30 internet service
- Some sort of TV with the sports package added on... I realized after I hung up that I'm not actually totally sure what the TV package was supposed to include
- Home phone with one calling feature and pay-as-you-go long distance
- Rental of 1 PVR and 2 additional HD boxes

- $127 for the first 6 months
- $140 after that

- $100 credit on first bill

Apparently only the TV is on a 2 year agreement. She said the phone and internet can be cancelled any time. TV is $10 a month for any time remaining.

Is this actually a good deal? I've never been a Telus customer and was planning on staying with Shaw. Looking at what some people here are saying I might have done a ####ty job negotiating this deal.

I'm thinking more of using this as a negotiating point for Shaw. I'm a bit reluctant to switch providers... the devil you know and all.

[btimbit]

Seems similar to the deal Shaw offered me

-150 internet
-keep the same basic cable I have (No sports package like you got)
-home phone (Not sure of the details since I'll cancel it after a month anyway)

Rep said as is, that's going to be $130/month locked in for 2 years. I have the option of cancelling the home phone after a month and getting that down to $125 a month.

That was what they offered straight off the bat so I'm sure you could get an even better deal if you played hardball and mentioned Telus is offering a similar plan. Maybe get see if you can't get them to throw in a free sports package to match or something

[FanIn80]

The deal gets even better if you're switching to Shaw from somewhere else...

[your_dad]

Not sure if this has been already said in the thread or if it would generate any interest, but telus' 150 service will be rebranded as 'purefibre' and offer 150 Mbps down and 150 Mbps UPLOAD speeds. It launches next week.

[Aegypticus]

Originally Posted by your_dad

Not sure if this has been already said in the thread or if it would generate any interest, but telus' 150 service will be rebranded as 'purefibre' and offer 150 Mbps down and 150 Mbps UPLOAD speeds. It launches next week.

That is certainly interesting to me. I've been waiting for symmetrical consumer internet for years.

[gaffobohs]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

The deal gets even better if you're switching to Shaw from somewhere else...

How did you get only one month worth of a bill? Mine was billed a no the in advance and so were the other rpeople I know that switched. Not that it matters much.

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[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Aegypticus

That is certainly interesting to me. I've been waiting for symmetrical consumer internet for years.

This isn't the case, however. It's 150 down and 30 up.

[Canehdianman]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

This isn't the case, however. It's 150 down and 30 up.

Go back and reread the post that he quoted. Thy are talking about PureFibre from Telus. It is symmetrical.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Canehdianman

Go back and reread the post that he quoted. Thy are talking about PureFibre from Telus. It is symmetrical.

I'm on purefibre 150 from telus. It's not 150/150.

https://fibre.telus.com/calgary/comp...Compare_Speeds

click on upload. you can verify on their own site

[Aegypticus]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

I'm on purefibre 150 from telus. It's not 150/150.

https://fibre.telus.com/calgary/comp...Compare_Speeds

click on upload. you can verify on their own site

I was taking his word for it that they were launching 150/150. The service I signed up for is supposed to be 150/30. If they do launch 150/150, I would be very happy.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Aegypticus

I was taking his word for it that they were launching 150/150. The service I signed up for is supposed to be 150/30. If they do launch 150/150, I would be very happy.

He is mistaken. There is no 150/150.

[psyang]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

He is mistaken. There is no 150/150.

Well, this link says there is 250/250 available in Vernon. Makes it sound like 150/150 is feasible, and maybe just needs time to launch.

[FurnaceFace]

Do we have a CP Shaw rep? We were talking to a Shaw person at taste of Calgary last night and he talked up a pretty good deal with some free bundles and such. He was to call today but hasn't. I'd rather give a CPer the sale if there is someone.

[White Out 403]

I may have spoke too quickly about the 150/150 thing

[GWSurvey]

Even if that is deployed, only 10% of their customers will actually be able to get it. The global IP traffic is heavy on download, not upload. Even with video conferencing, file sharing and backups, content production like YouTube, and social media sharing of photos and videos, the upload speeds provided by ISP are more than enough to handle those applications. There are no applications that require anything symmetrical, and until they do it almost doesn't make sense. While it's nice to have, your still going to be heavy on download than upload.

There are white papers out there that show data static patterns globally. A stat from Cisco suggests

"With the exception of short-form video and video calling, most forms of Internet video do not have a large upstream component. As a result, traffic is not becoming more symmetric, a situation that many expected when user-generated content first became popular. The emergence of subscribers as content producers is an extremely important social, economic, and cultural phenomenon, but subscribers still consume far more video than they produce. Upstream traffic has been slightly declining as a percentage for several years.

It appears likely that residential Internet traffic will remain asymmetric for the next few years."


Also another note is how Telus deploys fiber. While it is to the home, it is shared between 32 homes. The ports are 1 backhaul at 2.x Gbps split between 32 homes all fibre. If they offered 150/150 to those 32 homes, sustained throughout wouldn't be possible if everyone was maxing out their speeds. The way they market purefibre is impressive because it makes a customer believe they have a dedicated 1 Gbps fibre pipe all the way back to their core and is not shared. That isn't the case.

[Aegypticus]

You're right, I don't need symmetric speeds 99% of the time. I'm just always looking to get higher upload speeds for the times I want to get something done quickly. For a long time Shaw topped out at 3 mbps for me, which super sucked for uploading stuff to YouTube or running a small gaming server for a couple friends while also trying to do other things. It would be awesome to have the ability to power-upload stuff when I want to and tie up my connection for minutes instead of hours.

[cal_guy]

Originally Posted by GWSurvey

Also another note is how Telus deploys fiber. While it is to the home, it is shared between 32 homes. The ports are 1 backhaul at 2.x Gbps split between 32 homes all fibre. If they offered 150/150 to those 32 homes, sustained throughout wouldn't be possible if everyone was maxing out their speeds. The way they market purefibre is impressive because it makes a customer believe they have a dedicated 1 Gbps fibre pipe all the way back to their core and is not shared. That isn't the case.

I'll note the situation is much worst with cable nodes which have to share a relatively tiny 150 megabits of upload.

[GWSurvey]

Where did you get 150 Mbps on upload from...?

The modems being deployed are a 24x8 modem giving a max of 320 Mbps upload. Cable is shared and that is already known, Docsis 3.1 full duplex fixes that so it is symmetrical 10 Gbps. That being said, all I was commenting on was this misconception that having fibre is dedicated which it isn't. It has moved to a shared infrastructure, granted there are more houses sharing for a node with cable.

[cal_guy]

Originally Posted by GWSurvey

Where did you get 150 Mbps on upload from...?

The modems being deployed are a 24x8 modem giving a max of 320 Mbps upload. Cable is shared and that is already known, Docsis 3.1 full duplex fixes that so it is symmetrical 10 Gbps. That being said, all I was commenting on was this misconception that having fibre is dedicated which it isn't. It has moved to a shared infrastructure, granted there are more houses sharing for a node with cable.

Until recently Shaw like most cable networks could only use 6-42Mhz for uploads. That change when they could rid of the analogue channels but it will take sometime for the upgrades to use the additional bandwidth.

[Ragz]

I had the 150 installed this weekend and got the Cisco modem (without request), got it put in bridge mode and everything is working fine, although my speed tests are averaging 110.