[Rumour] Travis Hamonic requests trade. Western Canada preferred destination

[The Yen Man]

On the Fan, they're saying Tanev for Hamonic would be a lateral move. So are we saying Tanev is better than Hamilton if you think Hamonic is better than Hamilton?

[sureLoss]

Interesting discussion on 960, where they discuss 3 way trade scenarios.

Flames send assets to Team X and Team X sends a defenceman to the Islanders. Flames get Hamonic.

[HighLifeMan]

Hamonic simply doesn't have the three zone upside that Hamilton does, and never will.

Dougie's tools are off the charts and he has been our second best defensemen behind only TJ Brodie for the past 11 or so games. I simply can't believe that Brad Treliving would be as fickle as a select few of you are being in regards to Dougie.

Brodie is completely off limits here, and while I would personally entertain moving Giordano in a deal based around Hamonic, it simply doesn't make much logistical sense all things considered.

I don't think the Flames and Islanders are viable trade partners at this point in time.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Flames send assets to Team X and Team X sends a defenceman to the Islanders. Flames get Hamonic.

Seems to me that would be a better option for the oilers since forwards are their best tradeable asset. Hope that doesn't happen though.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Interesting discussion on 960, where they discuss 3 way trade scenarios.

Flames send assets to Team X and Team X sends a defenceman to the Islanders. Flames get Hamonic.

Any scenarios rattling around in your cyborg implants on what that could look like?

It's hard enough coming up with trade scenarios for 2 teams let alone 3.

The Flames are absolutely desperate for a player like this though:

http://video.islanders.nhl.com/video...12030113-410-h

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Any scenarios rattling around in your cyborg implants on what that could look like?

It's hard enough coming up with trade scenarios for 2 teams let alone 3.

Since we sealed off Gio, Brodie and Hamilton...As an experiment, I was thinking to use Minny as the other team and we broker the deal. Idea wise...

Calgary

In: Hamonic
Out: Russell, Wideman retained to 4M till end of contract, 2-3 mid ranged D/O prospects (Combos of Granlund/Shore/Agostina/Hathaway/Wotherspoon etc?)

Minny

Out: Good D Man
In: Wideman @ 4M, 2-3 mid ranged D/O prospects, NYI mid level offense prospect

NYI

Out: Hamonic + NYI mid level offense prospect
In: Russell, Good D man from Minny


Calgary: Pays most but gets quality for quantity.
Minny: Gets an ok stop gap but replenishes an abysmal shallow prospect pool by a lot
NYI: Gets a minor downgrade in player perhaps (or horizontal move) and gets Russell as a "rental" (could potentially sign too, who knows) as incentive to make the deal

Arguably, Winnipeg and Edmonton could probably do the same. The crux of this experimental idea also assumes a lot of variables (ie: Why wouldn't Minny want Hamonic over a few additional prospects and Wideman; Why would Flames want to throw out so much value, Why would NYI settle etc.), so it's shaky, but just idea wise, perhaps you could leverage Calgary's quality for quantity and Minny's need for farm depth and near NHL ready prospect replacements.

Expensive? Hell yeah. We're potentially giving up enough value to rival Hamilton's trade for Hamonic then having him at a 5.6 mil salary for 2 years till Wideman's salary retain runs out. We're the team putting the pieces to grease the deals for Minny and NYI. Is it justifiable to pay that to get a player that generally never pops up in trades? I don't know

[sureLoss]

Taking a wild stab at it

Flames get:
Hamonic

Wild get:
Hudler, Klimchuk/Granlund, 3rd (maybe conditional on Hudler re-signing with the Wild)


Isles get:
Scandella


Wild get a top 6 forward which is reportedly what their GM is looking or, a prospect with offensive upside that their system lacks, a 3rd in 2016 (Wild don't currently have a 2nd or 3rd in the 2016 draft).

Isles get Scandella, a 20min + defenceman, signed until 2019-2020 with a cap hit of $4 million

Flames then move Russell/Wideman to recoup picks/prospects for whatever they can

but yes it does seem like Edmonton would be much better fit for this kind of trade

[Jacks]

If you get into a 3 way scenario you can involve pretty much any team.
Cgy to Nas - forward
Nas to NYI - defence
NYI to Cgy - Hamonic

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Taking a wild stab at it

Flames get:
Hamonic

Wild get:
Hudler, Klimchuk/Granlund, 3rd (maybe conditional on Hudler re-signing with the Wild)


Isles get:
Scandella


Wild get a top 6 forward which is reportedly what their GM is looking or, a prospect with offensive upside that their system lacks, a 3rd in 2016 (Wild don't currently have a 2nd or 3rd in the 2016 draft).

Isles get Scandella, a 20min + defenceman, signed until 2019-2020 with a cap hit of $4 million

Flames then move Russell/Wideman to recoup picks/prospects for whatever they can

but yes it does seem like Edmonton would be much better fit for this kind of trade

I like this. Perhaps the Flames could do the much talked about (on HF) Russell/Wideman for Perron?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I like this. Perhaps the Flames could do the much talked about (on HF) Russell/Wideman for Perron?

I'd sooner go after a Russell/Atkinson deal with the Jackets.

[FusionX]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Any scenarios rattling around in your cyborg implants on what that could look like?

It's hard enough coming up with trade scenarios for 2 teams let alone 3.

The Flames are absolutely desperate for a player like this though:

http://video.islanders.nhl.com/video...12030113-410-h

Ah, shades of Regehr... I miss the tunnel of death.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I'd sooner go after a Russell/Atkinson deal with the Jackets.

I think Atkinson is too small as his size is similar to Johnny's plus he has 2 years at $3.5M a year left on his deal

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Jacks

If you get into a 3 way scenario you can involve pretty much any team.
Cgy to Nas - forward
Nas to NYI - defence
NYI to Cgy - Hamonic

Yup... the problem is Calgary's best producing forwards are either core pieces or pending UFAs.

[Vinny01]

I think if Edmonton puts Eberle on the table and a 3 way trade is discussed they will land Hamonic

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think if Edmonton puts Eberle on the table and a 3 way trade is discussed they will land Hamonic

Hard to say if Edmonton could do this:

Eberle to Team X
Comparable Defenceman to Hamonic from Team X to Isles
Hamonic to Edmonton

Then wouldn't Edmonton have already traded Eberle for Comparable Defenceman to Hamonic already?

[sureLoss]

Hmmm guess who is scouting Flames/Blackhawks tonight?

Islanders don't play the Blackhawks again this season unless they meet in the cup finals. Islanders play Calgary 1 more time in February.

[Street Pharmacist]

When was the last same for same deal?

[hockey.modern]

Alright Wideman/Russell/Hudler, show your best game of the season tonight.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

When was the last same for same deal?

Heatly for Hossa?

edit:

How about Heatley for Havlat July 2011

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Heatly for Hossa?

I can't remember any others. Almost never happens.


Edit: SwiftKey