[News] Mark Giordano Extension Done! 6 years, $40.5 million ($6.75 million AAV)

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I think it's now up to Hudler if he wants to remain a Flame. Treliving is only going to offer him a team-friendly contract. It'll be up to Hudler if he wants to chase money, or stay and be a part of the thing he helped create.

Regardless if he re-signs though, he should be kept for the year (barring non-playoff year). I'd rather win than manage assets.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by handgroen

Hudler is definitely an interesting situation. Especially now that gio is locked up till retirement.



I'm sure many cp'ers will want treliving to walk away from Hudler and trade him at the deadline. But the team is waaaay better with him here.



Ask yourself this, who doesn't have crazy good chemistry with Hudler? His line-mates naturally do, but also brodie in particular. He's our team's WiFi network.

It's tough. Love to retain him because he's an offensive catalyst with Johnny and Monahan and a great leader but he's going to want north of 5 million/yr. Hard to swallow with Monahan/Gaudreau/Bennett extensions coming up. It would be nice to trade Wideman's salary instead, but looking at the depth chart, it's probably going to be easier to replace Hudler, as we're a lot deeper on high potential forwards than Dmen.

[Poe969]

It would be great if he stayed but like Cro said, it's his decision. I'm sure another team would give him a better contract but is staying with the Flames more important?

If he decides not to re-sign with the Flames, I'm sure they'll get a decent return for the guy at the deadline...unless they're doing great and need him for the playoffs.

[Enoch Root]

I think the decision with Hudler is: does he want to sign a team-friendly deal to stay with the Flames for the rest of his career, or does he want to cash in?

Simple choice.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think the decision with Hudler is: does he want to sign a team-friendly deal to stay with the Flames for the rest of his career, or does he want to cash in?

Simple choice.

Hometown discount, taking less to help the team, etc. are a bit of a myth. The NHL is a business. Not only do players want to maximize their earnings, they have agents, the NHLPA, family, etc. who pressure them to take the best contract they can. How much of a discount have Crosby, Toews, etc. taken for the good of their teams? Players might take very minor discounts if they really want to stay with a team, or their family really loves a city. But not significant discounts.

If another team is willing to give Hudler significantly more money than the Flames, he will move. I'm perfectly okay with that. And I suspect Treliving and Hudler's teammates are too.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Regardless if he re-signs though, he should be kept for the year (barring non-playoff year). I'd rather win than manage assets.

How quickly we shift our focus. Last year, nothing but fear that we would drop out long term focus, this year, we'd rather win a few more games then properly manage assets.

If Hudler is willing to sign a team friendly contract, then great, if not, the Flames need to ship him off at deadline time, he'll generate some good return that will help us win in the upcoming seasons if he's not going to be around.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Hometown discount, taking less to help the team, etc. are a bit of a myth. The NHL is a business. Not only do players want to maximize their earnings, they have agents, fellow union-members, etc. and others who pressure them to take the best contract they can. How much of a discount have Crosby, Toews, etc. taken for the good of their teams? Players might take very minor discounts if they really want to stay with a team, or their family really loves a city. But not significant discounts.

If another team is willing to give Hudler significantly more money than the Flames, he will move. I'm perfectly okay with that. And I suspect Treliving and Hudler's teammates are too.

To the bolded - absolutely. IF he chooses to pursue that avenue.

But to say that it is a myth, IMO, is inaccurate.

I don't have the quote handy (maybe someone can provide it), but I believe Giordano said something to the effect of taking less, in order to help the team be successful.

I don't know what you call that, but I won't be at all surprised if Hudler does something similar. And if he chooses the money, that's okay too.

[Jason14h]

How quickly we shift our focus. Last year, nothing but fear that we would drop out long term focus, this year, we'd rather win a few more games then properly manage assets.

At what point do you try to win and stop 'properly managing assets' though.

We already made the 2nd round of playoffs, and added in the offseason. If this team has a legit shot at conference finals would you want to deal Hudler for picks and spects?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

At what point do you try to win and stop 'properly managing assets' though.

We already made the 2nd round of playoffs, and added in the offseason. If this team has a legit shot at conference finals would you want to deal Hudler for picks and spects?

It is a fair question. I don't believe this team is quite ready to be true contender this year (would love to be proven wrong) and more a team that will fight (and make though) the playoffs again.

I don't think you do things like keep an expiring contract like Hudler (if he's not re-signing) unless you truly believe this year is very realistic cup winning year. Nice thing is, we likely have until the deadline to figure that out

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I don't have the quote handy (maybe someone can provide it), but I believe Giordano said something to the effect of taking less, in order to help the team be successful.

I don't know what you call that, but I won't be at all surprised if Hudler does something similar. And if he chooses the money, that's okay too.

Players say that all the time. It's standard PR. Every player and every GM in the league say pretty much the exact thing in public after they sign a contract. I suspect what goes on behind closed doors is very different.

Remember, the real negotiators are the agents. Players give up a big chunk of their earnings in order to have these hard-ass negotiators fighting their corner and getting them more money.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Hometown discount, taking less to help the team, etc. are a bit of a myth. The NHL is a business. Not only do players want to maximize their earnings, they have agents, the NHLPA, family, etc. who pressure them to take the best contract they can. How much of a discount have Crosby, Toews, etc. taken for the good of their teams? Players might take very minor discounts if they really want to stay with a team, or their family really loves a city. But not significant discounts.

If another team is willing to give Hudler significantly more money than the Flames, he will move. I'm perfectly okay with that. And I suspect Treliving and Hudler's teammates are too.

Sorry, I call BS. You could argue that if Toews or Kane hit UFA they'd get better contracts then they did with the hawks but they wanted to stay. They still got big contracts but not max deals. Look at Gio, people were talking about him getting 9 mil and he got a lot less to help the team. Look at Kariya or Seleane when they signed with the Avs years ago, they could have got more with another team but they didn't.

I'm not saying Hudler is going to sign for 1 mill per year but I think if he stays, he'll take less than open market and not just because of the team. You have to think about guys with young families not wanting to move around, life style, community involvement, friends, working well with coaching staff and players. Sure, money is one thing but to say it's the main reason they sign deals isn't right.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think the decision with Hudler is: does he want to sign a team-friendly deal to stay with the Flames for the rest of his career, or does he want to cash in?

Simple choice.

Well you can put me in the 'hope he stays' camp.

We might trade him or lose him, then realize not only did he play well on that top line, but he was also one of the only players in the league that can think the game well enough to fully utilize gaudreau.

I get that you would be replacing him internally with young talent, however there is nothing saying poirier klimchuck Bennett etc. Will even be in the same stratosphere creatively.
I mean you would need to replace Hudler with someone like Datsyuk in order for it to be an upgrade.

Hudler and gaudreau is a hell of a combo, and the creativity between those two cannot be game planned against IMO.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Hometown discount, taking less to help the team, etc. are a bit of a myth. The NHL is a business. Not only do players want to maximize their earnings, they have agents, the NHLPA, family, etc. who pressure them to take the best contract they can. How much of a discount have Crosby, Toews, etc. taken for the good of their teams? Players might take very minor discounts if they really want to stay with a team, or their family really loves a city. But not significant discounts.

If another team is willing to give Hudler significantly more money than the Flames, he will move. I'm perfectly okay with that. And I suspect Treliving and Hudler's teammates are too.

I would agree with you pre-salary cap, but I think things are different in the Cap Era.

There is not a limitless supply of money floating around. I believe, no basis for this other than me, that players use to be more prone to chasing money. Remember that Rangers team that was stacked with a huge payroll.

That doesn't happen anymore. I think players are more interested in getting a fair amount while staying in a competitive organization.

[MisterJoji]

Starting to derail from the Giordano extension, but I'm surprised there haven't been any inklings of news about negotiating an extension for Hudler already. Is it simply a case salary cap constraints? Is Treliving worried about having adequate cap space for Monahan/Gaurdreau deals if Hudler's price is locked in? There will be 18.9 million off the books, just from the UFA's next summer. Seems like there's enough for Hudler, Gaudreau and Monahan. Just need to have some prospects secure some spots on their ELC's. Poirier/Smith takes Jones spot, Wotherspoon/Morrison/Kylington take Russell's spot, Ortio shows he is a legit starter, etc.

[Finger Cookin]

$19M to sign those three is a lot, until you remember that there is no goaltender signed for next season. Even if Ortio steals the starting job, he needs to be re-signed. And a back-up would be needed.

[heep223]

I personally feel that they can re-sign Hudler is he's willing to stay around $5M. Jones, Raymond, Engelland, Smid, Bollig and one of the goalies will be coming off the books over the next two years. That's at least $20M off the books for guys who probably aren't in the long term plans. Signing Johnny/Monny will take up $10M-$12M of that IMO.

If Hudler wants significantly more than $5M, which is his right and his UFA market value is certainly higher, it becomes much more doubtful.

[CroFlames]

Hudler also needs to remember he'll be 31 when his new deal kicks in. I think he can get about $5MM in UFA, but not significantly more than that.

He's currently making $4MM. I wonder if he would be OK with signing on for another 4 years at $4MM. I would be very OK with that deal.

[Fire]

Re-signing Hudler to a reasonable extension after his best ever season is pretty much impossible. Better to wait until next off-season and see if he reverts to one of his normal production years.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Fire

Re-signing Hudler to a reasonable extension after his best ever season is pretty much impossible. Better to wait until next off-season and see if he reverts to one of his normal production years.

Disagreed. Gio just came off his best year and signed a great extension.

I get the impression Hulder has really enjoyed his time in Calgary and given the choice, would want to stay.

We pretty much know Treliving isn't going to handcuff his team with bad deals. And he seems like he's a heck of a negotiator. Hopefully he can snag Hudler to a multi year reasonable deal. Throw in a NTC to sweeten the deal.

Additionally, I think the Hawks have been run very well for a long time. If they've shown us anything is that you need older guys and younger guys to hoist the grail. I'm of the opinion that we need Hudler.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Hudler also needs to remember he'll be 31 when his new deal kicks in. I think he can get about $5MM in UFA, but not significantly more than that.

He's currently making $4MM. I wonder if he would be OK with signing on for another 4 years at $4MM. I would be very OK with that deal.

Yeah, not going to happen. Of the top 9 scorers in the league last year, at 4 million he would be getting paid the lowest by 1.25 million. The average salaries of those other 8 is a shade over 7 million. If he replicates last season, he'll get that on the open market. Best hometown discount would likely be in 5.5-6.0 million, taking into account Treliving wizardry, hopefully somewhere around the low to mid 5 million.