Fire & Ice Girls: Sexist Anachronism?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by ranchlandsselling

You've claimed that I suggested I'm not able to be influenced by anything external on any subject (outright lie) and then referred to me as arrogant and egotistical based on said lie.

How do you expect to engage anyone when doing things like that?

You also claim you know how I think better than I do. How does that even make any sense. You don't know me.

I can throw out any statement I choose and accept or defend those statements as I see fit, engaging someone who goes the direction you do seems to be a waste of time given the posts you've come back with.

Okay, well let me go by your original posts and give you an idea of what I thought you meant, and then you can correct me. I definitely could've approached it better originally.

The reality is as simple as Darwin's theory of evolution and survival of the most fit. All things equal I'm going to mate with the most physically suitable mate, that's what I'm attracted to, to suggest otherwise is being ignorant (and it goes for both sexes)

See, to me it sounds like you're suggesting that there are certain physical qualities that determine if someone is an objectively suitable mate. My argument was that people you find attractive are not inherently more suitable mates on the Darwinian level you're claiming than people you don't find attractive. In fact there is some evidence that this is not true, such as the increasing number of births via C-section. We are social creatures, and at some level of subconscious thinking we're going to be influenced by what the society around is perpetuating as attractive qualities.

Also, I'd suggest that your argument is highly heteronormative, in that it doesn't really leave room to explain physical attraction between homosexuals.

You're delusional if you or anyone else claim they can know what I think better than I do.

No one was claiming to know what you think better than you do, but there are entire professional, scientific, and academic fields dedicated to telling us why we think the way we do, and my point was that it's a ridiculous to claim to know better than people who have dedicated their lives to this type of work, but I definitely should've phrased it better.

Yeah - because everyone in the world thinks the way you think they do.

I doubt it, but I don't think everyone is as unique from each other as we'd like to believe we are.

[Superflyer]

Has anyone actually asked the F&I girls what they would rather wear? There is lots of talk about what everyone thinks they should wear but has anyone actually asked them? If they were given the choice of a nice looking red and white track suit or their current uniform I wonder what THEY would want.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by Superflyer

Has anyone actually asked the F&I girls what they would rather wear? There is lots of talk about what everyone thinks they should wear but has anyone actually asked them? If they were given the choice of a nice looking red and white track suit or their current uniform I wonder what THEY would want.

I'm betting they are fine with it, but they are also attractive women who are making money strictly on the basis of their looks.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Rhettzky

I'm betting they are fine with it, but they are also attractive women who are making money strictly on the basis of their looks.

...and their excellent shovelling abilities.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

And about 30 other posts of a similar nature.

It's not about what they wear, or seeing people dressed provocatively.

It's about the nature of the job they are doing vs the mandated uniform and hiring practice.

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Either. Whatever the uniform is.

Originally Posted by Chill Cosby

You said it better than BBQ, but you're still grossly missing V's point.

They don't choose the uniform, nor do they (notice the qualifier here) necessarily wear what they want.

Being fine with wearing something, or finding it an acceptable condition of employment, is not the same as wanting to wear it.

To say they're wearing what they want to wear is silly.

Thank God none of the rest of us have ever had a job where we've had to wear something that not only did we not choose, we didnt like, like, a uniform.

Everyone knows that Uniforms are propagated by fascists with world domination at the head of their political agendas.

Thats why only militaries, most private schools and big corporations use them.

The Flames should not be forcing their fascist ethos onto these impressionable young women. Before you know it the Fire and Ice girls will be jackbooting across the 49th parallel and storming Great Falls MT.

Watch out Billings, you're next!

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Locke

Thank God none of the rest of us have ever had a job where we've had to wear something that not only did we not choose, we didnt like, like, a uniform.

Everyone knows that Uniforms are propagated by fascists with world domination at the head of their political agendas.

Thats why only militaries, most private schools and big corporations use them.

The Flames should not be forcing their fascist ethos onto these impressionable young women. Before you know it the Fire and Ice girls will be jackbooting across the 49th parallel and storming Great Falls MT.

Watch out Billings, you're next!

Man did you like, go through a bitter divorce in the last ~3 years? You used to be a lot more witty.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Man did you like, go through a bitter divorce in the last ~3 years? You used to be a lot more witty.

Just the opposite, I got married.

I find these types of threads tiring. Flawed, circuitous arguments lacking any semblance of logic or cognizance of the real world and white knights in shining armour with delusions of grandeur and feelings of moral superiority rushing to defend people who dont need defending.

Its like a bad Monty Python skit.

[photon]

Well, the important thing is that you've found a way to feel superior to both.

(xkcd reference in case the joke is missed, which I guess not everyone is a nerd)

[Locke]

Originally Posted by photon

Well, the important thing is that you've found a way to feel superior to both.

(xkcd reference in case the joke is missed, which I guess not everyone is a nerd)

Yeah, yeah, but you cant say that I'm wrong.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Locke

Yeah, yeah, but you cant say that I'm wrong.

I think you're using "white knight" wrong, because I'm pretty sure none of us are under the illusion that an argument on a Flames subforum is going to get us laid.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I think you're using "white knight" wrong, because I'm pretty sure none of us are under the illusion that an argument on a Flames subforum is going to get us laid.

Theres a thousand jokes here, but honestly, I'm amazed that some posters on here even look at women at all on the off-chance that they may offend, hurt and/or objectify them on a subconscious level.

[PsYcNeT]

I still don't think you know what a "white knight" is.

[RyZ]

Locke is killing it.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I still don't think you know what a "white knight" is.

Good Lord, please dont tell me that its become some sort of racist sexual position, but people around here can find all kinds of things to take offence to.

A White Knight is someone who comes to people's aid unbidden. The thing about that is sometimes the 'unbidden' part can be construed as 'unwanted' and/or ergo 'unnecessary.'

EDIT: I looked it up just to confirm and even the Urban Dictionary is on board with what I think a 'White Knight' is. Even the Urban Dictionary doesnt have it listed as some sort of perverse racist sexual act.

So maybe you dont know what a White Knight is...?

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I still don't think you know what a "white knight" is.

What is it? I think Locke's description was accurate.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Locke

Good Lord, please dont tell me that its become some sort of racist sexual position, but people around here can find all kinds of things to take offence to.

A White Knight is someone who comes to people's aid unbidden. The thing about that is sometimes the 'unbidden' part can be construed as 'unwanted' and/or ergo 'unnecessary.'

EDIT: I looked it up just to confirm and even the Urban Dictionary is on board with what I think a 'White Knight' is. Even the Urban Dictionary doesnt have it listed as some sort of perverse racist sexual act.

So maybe you dont know what a White Knight is...?

So uh, who are we trying to rescue?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by locke

just the opposite, i got married.

I find these types of threads tiring. Flawed, circuitous arguments lacking any semblance of logic or cognizance of the real world and white knights in shining armour with delusions of grandeur and feelings of moral superiority rushing to defend people who dont need defending.

Its like a bad monty python skit.

End of Thread.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

So uh, who are we trying to rescue?

That's the whole issue in a nut shell as Locke stated above. As you said above you don't even know these girls and you are trying to be their White Knight. Maybe they like what they do and don't need anonymous internet posters feeling the need to look out for what in your own mind should be their best interests.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That's the whole issue in a nut shell as Locke stated above. As you said above you don't even know these girls and you are trying to be their White Knight. Maybe they like what they do and don't need anonymous internet posters feeling the need to look out for what in your own mind should be their best interests.

I'd like one of you guys to point where I've even feigned some kind of concern for the girls themselves (because their situation is so concerning), or even something to that effect.

I'll wait.

[ExiledFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I'd like one of you guys to point where I've even feigned some kind of concern for the girls themselves (because their situation is so concerning), or even something to that effect.

I'll wait.

You're right. None of us know exactly what it is you're whining about.

What's your problem again? Refresh our memories.