[Rumour] Tallon Actively Shopping 1st Overall Pick in 2014 Draft

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Just guessing but I assume that most teams picking in the top 5 don't have any cap issues.

Well ... except Edmonton but they are no good.

That's not the point I was making. It is tough to add really high talent in the NHL these days. Trades are harder than ever for GM's to make and free agents typically are paid well above market which impacts a teams cap situation. Getting the opportunity to pick first in a group of highly touted 18 year olds is not something teams are willing to give up for anything more tha. A significant overpayment

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Getting the opportunity to pick first in a group of highly touted 18 year olds is not something teams are willing to give up for anything more tha. A significant overpayment

You could be right but there is no evidence to support the theory, we'll have to see the next time a 1st overall is traded, historically speaking that could be a long time. Personally I don't think the price to move up from anther top 5 pick would be that high in a draft year with no clear dominant player available.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by cKy

Well, you convinced me. It happened once where moving up wasnt worth. Case closed.

Not every draft is a slam dunk for the best player, lately 1 of 3 isn't.

This one could very well be like the 06 draft where picks 3,4 and 5 are far better than 1 and 2.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by T@T

Not every draft is a slam dunk for the best player, lately 1 of 3 isn't.

This one could very well be like the 06 draft where picks 3,4 and 5 are far better than 1 and 2.

Actually a pretty interesting draft comparison, only this year I think things will shake out a little differently

1. Ekblad = Eric Johnson
2. Reinhart = Backstrom
3. Draisaitl = Staal
4. Bennett = Toews.

similar players, different draft order.
one can dream right?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

Actually a pretty interesting draft comparison, only this year I think things will shake out a little differently

1. Ekblad = Eric Johnson
2. Reinhart = Backstrom
3. Draisaitl = Staal
4. Bennett = Toews.

similar players, different draft order.
one can dream right?

5 Ehlers = Kessel?

[Jacks]

Dal Colle = Brassard?

This is fun!

[Enoch Root]

Ritchie = Okposo

Frolik = Nylander

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Dal Colle = Brassard?

This is fun!

Peter Mueller?

[TurdFerguson]

Finkel = Einhorn

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by TurdFerguson

Finkel = Einhorn

awesome

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by TurdFerguson

Finkel = Einhorn

[Ziggy Lidstrom]

You're gun is digging into my hip... gawd!

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Yes.

It was basically:

Tier one: MacKinnon/Jones/Drouin
Tier Two: Barkov
Tier Three: Lindholm/Monahan

With Nichushkin a wild card due to being Russian.

As it got closer to the draft the last year, it really became:

Tier One: Mackinnon
Tier Two: Jones/Drouin/Barkov
Tier Three: Lindholm/Monahan
Wildcard: Nichushkin

Just like this year, as the draft nears it seems to be becoming (albeit with a smaller drop-off between tier one and tier two, but a bigger drop-off between tier two and tier three than last summer):

Tier One: Ekblad
Tier Two: Reinhart/Bennett/Draisaitl
Tier Three: Dal Colle/Virtanen/Ritchie
Wildcard: Ehlers

[T@T]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

As it got closer to the draft the last year, it really became:

Tier One: Mackinnon
Tier Two: Jones/Drouin/Barkov
Tier Three: Lindholm/Monahan
Wildcard: Nichushkin

Just like this year, as the draft nears it seems to be becoming (albeit with a smaller drop-off between tier one and tier two, but a bigger drop-off between tier two and tier three than last summer):

Tier One: Ekblad
Tier Two: Reinhart/Bennett/Draisaitl
Tier Three: Dal Colle/Virtanen/Ritchie
Wildcard: Ehlers

No way is Ekblad seperating himself the way Mackinnon did.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

As it got closer to the draft the last year, it really became:

Tier One: Mackinnon
Tier Two: Jones/Drouin/Barkov
Tier Three: Lindholm/Monahan
Wildcard: Nichushkin

Just like this year, as the draft nears it seems to be becoming (albeit with a smaller drop-off between tier one and tier two, but a bigger drop-off between tier two and tier three than last summer):

Tier One: Ekblad
Tier Two: Reinhart/Bennett/Draisaitl
Tier Three: Dal Colle/Virtanen/Ritchie
Wildcard: Ehlers

I agree with your assessment of last year but I think this year is:
Tier 1: Ekblad, Reinhart, Bennett, Draisaitl
Tier 2: Dal Colle
Tier 3: Ehlers, Ritchie, Fleury, etc.

[Trailer Fire]

I have to say I love the idea of picking up Florida's pick without trading our own. 1st and 4th overall in a very tight, very top heavy draft would be orgasmic. There isn't much I wouldn't consider trading outside of Gio, Brodie, Monahan, and Gaudreau. Possiboy tje 2015 1st rounder as well. Sadly, we would have to give up a lot to make it happen without those, and I'm not quite sure we have what it takes.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Trailer Fire

I have to say I love the idea of picking up Florida's pick without trading our own. 1st and 4th overall in a very tight, very top heavy draft would be orgasmic. There isn't much I wouldn't consider trading outside of Gio, Brodie, Monahan, and Gaudreau. Possiboy tje 2015 1st rounder as well. Sadly, we would have to give up a lot to make it happen without those, and I'm not quite sure we have what it takes.

So Brodie is untradeable...

Looking at his draft year 2008 enough time for things to settle, out of all the Defensemen drafted he is:

13th in NHL games played
19th in goals scored
16th in pts scored
15th in ppg. ( more than 100 games)

These guys all were 18 in 2008 and are the same age as Brodie is today.


If there was a way to convert Brodie into Ekblad the Flames, who are at least 2 years away from the play offs would be crazy not to do it.

The defenseman in Brodie's draft year that are ahead of him in ppg (as well as all the other categories are:

Erik Karlsson
Alex Pietrangelo
Drew Doughty
Justin Schultz
Tyler Myers
Roman Josi
Vyacheslav Voynov
Patrick Wiercioch
John Carlson
Michael Del Zotto
Jake Gardiner
Jason Demers
Jared Spurgeon
Zach Bogosian


The upside of the best d-man in this draft is significantly higher than Brodie's.

The only reason that Florida would consider the trade is that it will be a year or 2 before Ekblad is better than Brodie. Ekblad might not help the Flames next year at all.... but unless you are counting on them making the playoffs with Brodie.........

It took 2011 #9 pick Dougie Hamilton 3 years to get even with where Brodie is today.... not much chance of Boston trading Hamilton for Brodie now.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

So Brodie is untradeable...

Looking at his draft year 2008 enough time for things to settle, out of all the Defensemen drafted he is:

13th in NHL games played
19th in goals scored
16th in pts scored
15th in ppg. ( more than 100 games)

These guys all were 18 in 2008 and are the same age as Brodie is today.


If there was a way to convert Brodie into Ekblad the Flames, who are at least 2 years away from the play offs would be crazy not to do it.

The defenseman in Brodie's draft year that are ahead of him in ppg (as well as all the other categories are:

Erik Karlsson
Alex Pietrangelo
Drew Doughty
Justin Schultz
Tyler Myers
Roman Josi
Vyacheslav Voynov
Patrick Wiercioch
John Carlson
Michael Del Zotto
Jake Gardiner
Jason Demers
Jared Spurgeon
Zach Bogosian


The upside of the best d-man in this draft is significantly higher than Brodie's.

The only reason that Florida would consider the trade is that it will be a year or 2 before Ekblad is better than Brodie. Ekblad might not help the Flames next year at all.... but unless you are counting on them making the playoffs with Brodie.........

It took 2011 #9 pick Dougie Hamilton 3 years to get even with where Brodie is today.... not much chance of Boston trading Hamilton for Brodie now.

Who on that list would you trade Brodie for?

I can see Petro, Doughty, Karlson and maybe Myers, depending on how you feel about him.

And why on earth would you use those stats when evaluating his abilities as a dman?

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Who on that list would you trade Brodie for?

I can see Petro, Doughty, Karlson and maybe Myers, depending on how you feel about him.

And why on earth would you use those stats when evaluating his abilities as a dman?

Id trade Brodie for most of those guys, but not all. Brodie probably isnt on the upper half of that list. Thats actually a pretty impressive group of Dmen from a single draft.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Who on that list would you trade Brodie for?

I can see Petro, Doughty, Karlson and maybe Myers, depending on how you feel about him.

And why on earth would you use those stats when evaluating his abilities as a dman?

Voynov and Josi easily